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    Attn: Stray Cat, Alex de Joode; hacktic remailer  
Thomas J. Boschloo


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10-25-06 06:23 PM

There used to be a remailer usura/@/xs4all.nl. I wonder if you or
anybody else knows what was used for an exit? Would smtp.xs4all.nl get
the admins of XS4ALL breathing in the neck of the remop? What if the
remailer was middleman?

I think widow/@/wol.be was the only other remailer hosted at a normal
ISP email account.

Just how does this work (aside from the POP3 being handled by the ISP
without TLS or SSL)?

TIA,
Thomas
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"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine





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    Re: Attn: Stray Cat, Alex de Joode; hacktic remailer  
Alex de Joode


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10-25-06 06:23 PM

Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
: There used to be a remailer usura/@/xs4all.nl. I wonder if you or
: anybody else knows what was used for an exit? Would smtp.xs4all.nl get
: the admins of XS4ALL breathing in the neck of the remop? What if the
: remailer was middleman?

That's a long time ago autum 1994 orso.

I bought my first computer in 1988 and the first software I bought
was PC Tools. The manual had this intreguing notice that stated
that only US people would get the 128 bits DES encryption europeans
and others were limited to 56 bits encryption.

I felt cheated, they gave me a lesser product. So I placed an ad
in PC Magazine (http://www.pcmagazine.nl/) and asked for the 128 bits
version. One evening the phone rang, 'Does your father work for the
gouvernment' a male asked. 'No' I replied. He then told me he rang from
prison and he would sent me the disk if I mailed him two blanc disks.
Which I did, and so my interest in encryption software started (and my
collection btw).

The arrival of a modem was an other improvement for expanding my
collection. Previously I bought disk from companies that advertised
in UK computer magazines, but that was expensive. A company in Baarn
had an offer for a 14K4 modem for 180 guilders (if I remember correctly)
(~90 euros) which was quite cheap for those days, so I bought one.

BBS's connected to FIDOnet were the main way for communicating those
days and the sysop of my favourite BBS 'Reflex BBS' did not mind if
I requested (encryption) programmes via his connection. If you spent
enought time online you eventually come by BBS's of the HPAV scene,
of which Utopia(Hacktic) was the most interesting. It also offered
access to internet email, which previously only was available via
a clutch at 'The Owls BBS' which had a for pay telephone number. It
took some time to get uucp to work (WAFFLE on msdos !) but eventually
it did and my node vox.hacktic.nl was born.

A friend wrote a remailer programme for Waffle so I decided to try it
out, and it went life in May 1994.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp...=
source

: Just how does this work (aside from the POP3 being handled by the ISP
: without TLS or SSL)?

No pop, just plain smtp and the mail was processed via a procmail script and
 either
spooled in my home directory or sent to mtp.xs4all.nl for delivery. TLS/SSL 
wasn't
there yet.

Cheers,
-aj-





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    Re: Attn: Stray Cat, Alex de Joode; hacktic remailer  
Thomas J. Boschloo


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10-25-06 06:23 PM

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Alex de Joode schreef:
[snip]
> Cheers,
> -aj-

Cheers to you too! That was some impressive history lesson which would
have fitted well within the Hacktic Magazine ;-)

I know next to nothing about POP3/IMAP/SMTP apart from that Sendmail and
Mercury are most commonly used for that at remailers.

I notice that most remailers that don't have they own domain plus IP end
up being dead. I figure this is because of TOS issues with their provider.

Would it be possible to POP3 at e.g. bigfoot like Frog-Admin did and
then SMTP with your own provider's SMTP server given that you run
middle? Less servers running on your remailer box means less doors that
can be opened from the outside after all..

BTW, COPYIIPC was the program I loved most until UNP 4.11 came along :-)
[and NOKEY.COM, that was great too!]

Highest Regards,
Thomas
- --
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
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