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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:14:17 +0100 (CET), Non scrivetemi wrote in
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> format?

For the mixmin gateway, it's:-
mail2news-yyyymmdd-news.group@m2n.mixmin.net

Other options are:-
mail2news-yyyymmdd-news.group1=news.group2=news.group3@m2n.mixmin.net
mail2news_nospam-yyyymmdd-news.group@m2n.mixmin.net
mail2news_nospam-yyyymmdd-news.group1=news.group2=news.group3@m2n.mixmin.net

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"Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:

> ???
>
> format?

what for?

How's the gateway supposed to guess what newsgroups
you want to post to?

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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
> 
>
> what for?
>
> How's the gateway supposed to guess what newsgroups
> you want to post to?

This is how one of the first m2ns used to work. lcs.mit.edu. It was made
this way for e-mail clients that couldn't insert headers at all.

And remember that m2n existed before even remailers existed. They are
separate from the remailer and mixminion network (though very useful).
At least, they are _supposed_ to be separate from the anonymous networks
and as such should not be advertised as providing any anonimity, which
they cannot due to the lack of encryption to it.

http://www.vene.ws/email/en-usenet.txt (I feel like a XXXXing archaeologist)

Thomas
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In article < 192bd34b5a5868f0fa927f3010d1f581@pboxmix
.winstonsmith.info>
"Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
>
> ???
>
> format?

The three active gateways which allow this seem to have settled on these
formats:
mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group@m2n.mixmin.net (banana)
mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group@m2n.4096.net (4096)
news.group@newsanon.yi.org (eelbash)

Crossposting syntax is
mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group1=news.group2=news.group3@m2n.mixmin.net
mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group1=news.group2=news.group3@m2n.4096.net
news.group1=news.group2=news.group3=news.group4=news.group5@newsanon.yi.org

I believe that 4096 and mixmin allow up to three groups and eelbash 5, but
I'm not certain.

Additionally if it ever comes back,
mail2news-YYYYMMDD-group@anon.lcs.mit.edu
mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group1+news.group2+news.group3+news.group4+news.grou
p5@anon.lcs.mit.edu
But don't hold your breath.

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:42:10 +0100, George Orwell wrote:

> In article < 192bd34b5a5868f0fa927f3010d1f581@pboxmix
.winstonsmith.info>
> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote: 
>
> The three active gateways which allow this seem to have settled on these
> formats:
>  mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group@m2n.mixmin.net (banana)
>  mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group@m2n.4096.net (4096)
>  news.group@newsanon.yi.org (eelbash)
>
> Crossposting syntax is
>  mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group1=news.group2=news.group3@m2n.mixmin.net
>  mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group1=news.group2=news.group3@m2n.4096.net
>  news.group1=news.group2=news.group3=news.group4=news.group5@newsanon.yi.o
rg
>
> I believe that 4096 and mixmin allow up to three groups and eelbash 5, but
> I'm not certain.
>
> Additionally if it ever comes back,
>  mail2news-YYYYMMDD-group@anon.lcs.mit.edu
>  mail2news-YYYYMMDD-news.group1+news.group2+news.group3+news.group4+news.g
roup5@anon.lcs.mit.edu
>  But don't hold your breath.

Thank you that is good to know.

Where is the advantage of requiring yyyymmdd in the syntax?

If a spammer knows that that kind of gateway syntax is possible and writes
a script to send thousands of messages, he would also be able to make sure
that yyyymmdd was whatever the current date is.

It looks to me like all it does is to make it hard to remember how
to use the gateway and to make typos more likely.

And why require 'mail2news' at the start? Just more excess junk to confuse
people it seems to me. The sender of the message knows he is sending it to
a mail2news gateway he should not be required to type it in.

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In article < 1b46f35c0ab9644da12c261249e6bca6@mixmast
er.it>
George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
> Where is the advantage of requiring yyyymmdd in the syntax?
>
> If a spammer knows that that kind of gateway syntax is possible and writes
> a script to send thousands of messages, he would also be able to make sure
> that yyyymmdd was whatever the current date is.

But they don't. A news.group@mail2news syntax address gets on a
spammers list because it was used or posted and caught by their mail
address trawling software. Then, like any other address, it gets
spammed. That means spam gets sent to that newsgroup forever.

With the YYYYMMDD syntax it doesn't. Anything with a date over 2 days
old gets thrown away.

Spammers are dumb. They aren't targetting the mail2news address, they
just get caught as yet another email address on their lists. They're
not trying to thwart it and spam newsgroups with it.

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:10:04 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> In article < 1b46f35c0ab9644da12c261249e6bca6@mixmast
er.it>
> George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote: 
>
> But they don't. A news.group@mail2news syntax address gets on a
> spammers list because it was used or posted and caught by their mail
> address trawling software. Then, like any other address, it gets
> spammed. That means spam gets sent to that newsgroup forever.
>
> With the YYYYMMDD syntax it doesn't. Anything with a date over 2 days
> old gets thrown away.

Where does the spammer see the newsgroup@mail2news or the
yyyymmdd-newsgrouup@mail2news? The only place I see them is when somebody
uses them as an example.

>
> Spammers are dumb. They aren't targetting the mail2news address, they
> just get caught as yet another email address on their lists. They're
> not trying to thwart it and spam newsgroups with it.

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>>Where does the spammer see the newsgroup@mail2news or the
yyyymmdd-newsgrouup@mail2news? The only place I see them is when
somebody
uses them as an example.<<

right, spammers harvest addresses from newsgroups

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