If this becomes law, it won't be long before some bureaucrat declares that
remailers and TOR nodes are really isps, and are covered by the law.


Attorney General Gonzales would be permitted to force Internet providers
to keep logs of Web browsing, instant message exchanges, and e-mail
conversations indefinitely.

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/02/07/1930228.shtml

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On Thu,  8 Feb 2007 08:13:12 -0500 (EST), Anonyma wrote in
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> Attorney General Gonzales would be permitted to force Internet providers
> to keep logs of Web browsing, instant message exchanges, and e-mail
> conversations indefinitely.

I see a good side to this.  Currently ISP's *might* be retaining logs.
If a law comes in to say they *must* retain them, then there is no
longer scope for doubt in anyones mind.  Your communications will be
logged and anything sent in plain text can be read.

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:52:52 +0000, Zax wrote:

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>
> I see a good side to this.  Currently ISP's *might* be retaining logs.
> If a law comes in to say they *must* retain them, then there is no
> longer scope for doubt in anyones mind.  Your communications will be
> logged and anything sent in plain text can be read.
That would be good if it got everyone to use encryption, which they might
do if it also got the writers of email/news clients to build it into their
products. Don't know if that would happen though. Most people don't seem
to care about their privacy. They even think that the government has a
right to spy on them but that they have no right to keep anything
private. They say strange things like: If you have nothing to hide, why
should you care?

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On Thu,  8 Feb 2007 16:20:19 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio wrote in
Message-Id: <0e3b43680dbb00a346489ba5fc79ee68@dizum.com>:

> That would be good if it got everyone to use encryption, which they might
> do if it also got the writers of email/news clients to build it into their
> products. Don't know if that would happen though. Most people don't seem
> to care about their privacy. They even think that the government has a
> right to spy on them but that they have no right to keep anything
> private. They say strange things like: If you have nothing to hide, why
> should you care?

This public passivity seems to be unique to electronic means of
communication.  If a government announced it was going to start opening
envelopes and reading letters, there would be a national outcry.

The solution IMO is for mail and chat clients to start delivering encryption
by default.  That should include PGP functionality and TLS encryption at
the transport layer.  Another major boost would be a Windows based MTA
that had functional TLS.  This would effectively take the ISP out of the
mail loop.  Something that would no doubt delight them.

The stopper in the bottle is probably Microsoft.  No matter how good
alternate solutions might be, the average user will stick with good ol'
Outlook Express and Internet Explorer.  This no doubt suits Big Brother
very nicely.

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In article <eqfh8o$uu2$1@bananasplit.info>, admin@bananasplit.info says...
>

>
>This public passivity seems to be unique to electronic means of
>communication.  If a government announced it was going to start opening
>envelopes and reading letters, there would be a national outcry.
>
You are behind the times. Mr. Bush has already decreed that the gummint can
open first class mail without a warrant.

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007, Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>In article <eqfh8o$uu2$1@bananasplit.info>, admin@bananasplit.info says... 
> 
>You are behind the times. Mr. Bush has already decreed that the gummint can
>open first class mail without a warrant.

That is a gross oversimplification. Bush does not rule by decree, no matter
how much the Democrats want to make it out as such.

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Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> said:

>On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:52:52 +0000, Zax wrote:

> On Thu,  8 Feb 2007 08:13:12 -0500 (EST), Anonyma wrote in
> Message-Id: <3b57ac3818e3a5639ec73511571c53d7@deuxpi.ca>:
 
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I see a good side to this.  Currently ISP's *might* be retaining logs.
> If a law comes in to say they *must* retain them, then there is no
> longer scope for doubt in anyones mind.  Your communications will be
> logged and anything sent in plain text can be read.
> That would be good if it got everyone to use encryption, which they
> might do if it also got the writers of email/news clients to build it
> into their products. Don't know if that would happen though. Most
> people don't seem to care about their privacy. They even think that
> the government has a right to spy on them but that they have no right
> to keep anything private. They say strange things like: If you have
> nothing to hide, why should you care?

Maybe if someone wrote a truly evil privacy-raping worm that posted
the credit card numbers, private email, hard drive contents, etc.
of the victims, they might figure it the hell out.  Morons like this
may not deserve privacy, but it is a real nightmare to lose my
own privacy mainly because of the apathy of XXXXing idiots.
And of course at the moment, it is still possible to encrypt
without going to jail.  Guess how long that'll last.  Not long
if the cretins have their way.

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George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in
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> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> said:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Maybe if someone wrote a truly evil privacy-raping worm that posted
> the credit card numbers, private email, hard drive contents, etc.
> of the victims, they might figure it the hell out.  Morons like this
> may not deserve privacy, but it is a real nightmare to lose my
> own privacy mainly because of the apathy of XXXXing idiots.
> And of course at the moment, it is still possible to encrypt
> without going to jail.  Guess how long that'll last.  Not long
> if the cretins have their way.

I seriously doubt that would accomplish anything more than getting even
more watching and snooping of net activites in an effort to catch whoever
created such a beast.

My opinion only, YMMV



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