Hi everybody,

I have been reading the posts about Privacy.Li and Cotse. I have used
both in the past and both seemed to work ok.

I do not want this thread to become a war of words please.

I want to use an encrypted tunnel and I am not sure about Cotse
because it is in the USA, and I have been waiting for two monthes for
money sent to Canada to get to Adminus, I fear that my money may be
lost.

So now that you all know where I am at the moment, my questions are,

1/ Are there any other secure tunnel company's around that are not in
the USA.
or
2/ Can somebody who is patient please help me to learn about how to
use Tor and the other programs to post anonimously? I have downloaded
freecap_setup_eng.exe
QS1.2.5.exe
QS1.2.6b2.exe
ufasoft_sockschain_3.11.151.exe
latest.exe (tor)
ctunnel.exe

I have not installed them yet as I do not know which ones to start
with. I do have putty5.8.exe and I know how to use this for a paid for
tunnel.

thanks for any help.

Temporary

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> Hi everybody,
>
> I have been reading the posts about Privacy.Li and Cotse. I have used
> both in the past and both seemed to work ok.
>
> I do not want this thread to become a war of words please.
>
> I want to use an encrypted tunnel and I am not sure about Cotse
> because it is in the USA, and I have been waiting for two monthes for
> money sent to Canada to get to Adminus, I fear that my money may be
> lost.
>
> So now that you all know where I am at the moment, my questions are,
>
> 1/ Are there any other secure tunnel company's around that are not in
> the USA.
> or

don't bother paying for anything.  learn to use Stunnel and Tor.
you'll be better off.

> 2/ Can somebody who is patient please help me to learn about how to
> use Tor and the other programs to post anonimously? I have downloaded
> freecap_setup_eng.exe
> QS1.2.5.exe
> QS1.2.6b2.exe
> ufasoft_sockschain_3.11.151.exe
> latest.exe (tor)
> ctunnel.exe
>
> I have not installed them yet as I do not know which ones to start
> with. I do have putty5.8.exe and I know how to use this for a paid for
> tunnel.
>
> thanks for any help.
>
> Temporary

look on the panta website, find the link for the pantawiki, there's an
article there that goes into great detail how to use stunnel and tor with
quicksilver.

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Temporary Temp wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I have been reading the posts about Privacy.Li and Cotse. I have used
> both in the past and both seemed to work ok.
>
> I do not want this thread to become a war of words please.
>
> I want to use an encrypted tunnel and I am not sure about Cotse
> because it is in the USA, and I have been waiting for two monthes for
> money sent to Canada to get to Adminus, I fear that my money may be
> lost.

All that nonsense aside, are you sure a "secure tunnel" is what you even
want? What is it specifically you think you might gain by routing your
traffic through a single hop proxy?

If your answer includes any variation on "hiding my identity or
activity from the law or any other legitimate entity", you're using the
wrong tool to begin with.

> So now that you all know where I am at the moment, my questions are,
>
> 1/ Are there any other secure tunnel company's around that are not in
> the USA.

Sure there are. Many of them in places that make the USA look like a
long day on a sunny beach with 2 topless virgins buying you beer when
it comes to their privacy laws and practices.

Were you aware that Hong Kong has more FBI agents stationed in it than
most US States, for example? And that in Hong Kong, US FBI agents don't
have to get warrants to raid and seize providers? That's why they keep
a large presence there. It's also why things like Echelon were mostly
US funded projects, carried out on mostly foreign soil.

The bottom line is, the US is a popular horse to kick but the facts say
it's little more complicated than "evil America", and even US law
enforcement knows that or they wouldn't be operating off shore
themselves. Indeed, for the "off shore" rhetoric to mean anything at
all you'd have to take into account the specific type of activity in
question, see what it means with respect to the laws of each specific
foreign jurisdiction, and then do a considerable amount of research to
make sure each jurisdiction's laws aren't made completely irrelevant by
some trade or legal agreement between that jurisdiction, and your own.

> or 2/ Can somebody who is patient please help me to learn about how
> to use Tor and the other programs to post anonimously? I have
> downloaded

Generally, you'll want to install and configure Tor first. Then get
other software to cooperate with it.

There's installation instructions for Tor at tor.eff.org.

http://tor.eff.org/docs/tor-doc-win32.html.en

I think there's a step by step QS howto on that site, or in its
documentation. Note that you can post to Usenet and send email
addresses with the best anonymity available, using QS without Tor.

And here's a link to the Torify Howto which should lead you through
setting up other software with Tor.

http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/The...ter/TorifyHOWTO

No need to reinvent the wheel here, most of the above will lead you
through the process step by step. If you have any problems at all, or
don't understand things as you're going along, this is a good place to
ask. There's also an IRC channel for Tor at irc.oftc.net if you're into
that. /join #tor

> freecap_setup_eng.exe
> QS1.2.5.exe
> QS1.2.6b2.exe
> ufasoft_sockschain_3.11.151.exe
> latest.exe (tor)
> ctunnel.exe
>
> I have not installed them yet as I do not know which ones to start
> with. I do have putty5.8.exe and I know how to use this for a paid
> for tunnel.

Paid tunnels (tunnels of any type) and anonymous services like Tor and
the remailer network are two different things. They provide completely
different services. One is a privacy provider, the other an anonymity
provider. The two overlap in some areas, but they're separate and
distinct goals.

Again, what exactly is it that you're trying to hide, and from whom? If
you're a disgruntled employee ready to expose Microsoft's secret plans
for world domination through subliminal messages imbedded in Windows or
some government insider with proof Kennedy was killed by the CIA, then
you will want to stick with remailers and Tor. If you're an average Joe
just trying to protect himself from spammers and scammers out on the
net by obfuscation their name and origin, then a tunnel is probably the
right tool for the job, although Tor and remailers do a pretty good job
in that area too. They are, however, less reliable and harder to use.

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Wrong on all counts, most of the offshore privacy providers keep NO
identifying information on any user on any secured server, even if a
server got compromised NO information is there on anyone.  If they were to
try to make privacy.li log for example, they would shut down and move the
server.  Some just don't log customers regardless, they only keep security
logs for system integrity against hackers etc not records on what users
do, get it

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> Wrong on all counts, most of the offshore privacy providers keep NO
> identifying information on any user on any secured server, even if a
> server got compromised NO information is there on anyone.  If they
> were to try to make privacy.li log for example, they would shut down
> and move the server.  Some just don't log customers regardless, they
> only keep security logs for system integrity against hackers etc not
> records on what users do, get it

How can any service operate the way you say and still be able to handle
customer billing and track/stop abuse?

Seems to me you HAVE to have a certain amount of logs to do this.  If
this is not the case, please explain how these things are handled.

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In article < 479b2df462bf278451fe7ef3f15eec48@mixmast
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George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
> Wrong on all counts, most of the offshore privacy providers keep NO
> identifying information on any user on any secured server,

So,which offshore providers DO keep identifying information ?

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George Orwell wrote:

> Wrong on all counts, most of the offshore privacy providers keep NO
> identifying information on any user on any secured server, even if a
> server got compromised NO information is there on anyone.  If they were to
> try to make privacy.li log for example, they would shut down and move the
> server.  Some just don't log customers regardless, they only keep security
> logs for system integrity against hackers etc not records on what users
> do, get it
>

You know any of this exactly... how?

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>
>don't bother paying for anything.  learn to use Stunnel and Tor.
>you'll be better off.
> 
>
>look on the panta website, find the link for the pantawiki, there's
>an article there that goes into great detail how to use stunnel and
>tor with quicksilver.
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Hi Aunti Virus

Ok, thanks for that link. I am downloading a few pages from
panta-rhei and I am copy pasting some things into notepad now. I saw
the "HelpForBeginners" link and that sounds like really good for me,
have not opened that link yet.

Thanks heaps :-)

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:37:25 +0100, Fritz Wuehler
<fritz@spamexpire-200703.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

>Temporary Temp wrote:
> 
>
>All that nonsense aside, are you sure a "secure tunnel" is what you even
>want? What is it specifically you think you might gain by routing your
>traffic through a single hop proxy?
>
>If your answer includes any variation on "hiding my identity or
>activity from the law or any other legitimate entity", you're using the
>wrong tool to begin with.

I have been downloading music and I would like to share because i have
so much now I find that i have some that others are requesting, I am
to scared to post but. I have seen on the news about people being
taken to court for copy write and they cop heaps.

> 
>
>Sure there are. Many of them in places that make the USA look like a
>long day on a sunny beach with 2 topless virgins buying you beer when
>it comes to their privacy laws and practices.
YUK

>
>Were you aware that Hong Kong has more FBI agents stationed in it than
>most US States, for example? And that in Hong Kong, US FBI agents don't
>have to get warrants to raid and seize providers? That's why they keep
>a large presence there. It's also why things like Echelon were mostly
>US funded projects, carried out on mostly foreign soil.
I always thought that Hong Kong was the best

>
>The bottom line is, the US is a popular horse to kick but the facts say
>it's little more complicated than "evil America", and even US law
>enforcement knows that or they wouldn't be operating off shore
>themselves. Indeed, for the "off shore" rhetoric to mean anything at
>all you'd have to take into account the specific type of activity in
>question, see what it means with respect to the laws of each specific
>foreign jurisdiction, and then do a considerable amount of research to
>make sure each jurisdiction's laws aren't made completely irrelevant by
>some trade or legal agreement between that jurisdiction, and your own.
> 
>
>Generally, you'll want to install and configure Tor first. Then get
>other software to cooperate with it.
>
>There's installation instructions for Tor at tor.eff.org.
>
>http://tor.eff.org/docs/tor-doc-win32.html.en
>
Thanks
>I think there's a step by step QS howto on that site, or in its
>documentation. Note that you can post to Usenet and send email
>addresses with the best anonymity available, using QS without Tor.
>
>And here's a link to the Torify Howto which should lead you through
>setting up other software with Tor.
>
>http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/The...ter/TorifyHOWTO
>
>No need to reinvent the wheel here, most of the above will lead you
>through the process step by step. If you have any problems at all, or
>don't understand things as you're going along, this is a good place to
>ask. There's also an IRC channel for Tor at irc.oftc.net if you're into
>that. /join #tor
> 
>
>Paid tunnels (tunnels of any type) and anonymous services like Tor and
>the remailer network are two different things. They provide completely
>different services. One is a privacy provider, the other an anonymity
>provider. The two overlap in some areas, but they're separate and
>distinct goals.
>
>Again, what exactly is it that you're trying to hide, and from whom? If
>you're a disgruntled employee ready to expose Microsoft's secret plans
>for world domination through subliminal messages imbedded in Windows or
>some government insider with proof Kennedy was killed by the CIA, then
>you will want to stick with remailers and Tor. If you're an average Joe
>just trying to protect himself from spammers and scammers out on the
>net by obfuscation their name and origin, then a tunnel is probably the
>right tool for the job, although Tor and remailers do a pretty good job
>in that area too. They are, however, less reliable and harder to use.
>
>

Gosh, I had to like read this a few times to understand it all. I
think I would be best with both, I think it would be good if I am both
private and anonymity. I am going to install Tor first and will finish
reading the panta-riegh site then go to the tor.eff.org site. I have
heard of onionrouter (and something about banana as well), some of
these names sure sound funny.

Thanks heaps for all that.

Temporary

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George Orwell wrote:

> Wrong on all counts, most of the offshore privacy providers keep NO
> identifying information on any user on any secured server, even if a
> server got compromised NO information is there on anyone.  If they
> were to try to make privacy.li log for example, they would shut down
> and move the server.  Some just don't log customers regardless, they
> only keep security logs for system integrity against hackers etc not
> records on what users do, get it

There's no way you'd know any of this without owning "most off shore
privacy providers".

Thanks for kicking your own XXX. 

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