Yes, i've desided to install Debian on my laptop, however there are
question i have been unable to get answers too.

1=2E Which processor architecture? the cpu im using is an "Intel=C2=AE
Centrino=C2=AE Core=E2=84=A22 Duo T7200" and i know of course that the x86 =
will
work, but what about the dual core and 64 bit thingy... Will it limit
the cpu? should i use amd64 instead? I mean it is a intel cpu... At
first the IA-64 seemed a logically choice as the former architecture
was called ia-32, but there is, it seems, some confusion there.

2=2E The chipset im using is "Intel=C2=AE 945PM Express". How do i know if =
it
is possible to get compatible driver and stuff?

3=2E Which GUI does debian recoment? I seem to remember reading
something about them not recomenting KDE even though i've allso read
that it should be very good. Then there is gnome, and some others...
The reason for this seemenly stupid question is that i want it to work
as a whole and therefor i want to use whatever debian has been testet
with... but maybe all that isnt an isue anymore, if thats the case,
what GUI would you recoment?

Well, that was it for now i think, thank you in advance...


Regards

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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:32:42 -0700, zacariaz wrote:

> Yes, i've desided to install Debian on my laptop, however there are
> question i have been unable to get answers too.
>
> 1. Which processor architecture? the cpu im using is an "Intel®
> Centrino® Core™2 Duo T7200" and i know of course that the x86 will
> work, but what about the dual core and 64 bit thingy... Will it limit
> the cpu? should i use amd64 instead? I mean it is a intel cpu... At
> first the IA-64 seemed a logically choice as the former architecture
> was called ia-32, but there is, it seems, some confusion there.

Not that familiar with it. If it is a 64bit then I should think IA64.

>
> 2. The chipset im using is "Intel® 945PM Express". How do i know if it
> is possible to get compatible driver and stuff?

I'm fairly sure that won't be a problem. How about booting one of the more
'standard' Live CDs - like knoppix or elive - if they work, then there
should be no problem.

>
> 3. Which GUI does debian recoment? I seem to remember reading
> something about them not recomenting KDE even though i've allso read
> that it should be very good. Then there is gnome, and some others...
> The reason for this seemenly stupid question is that i want it to work
> as a whole and therefor i want to use whatever debian has been testet
> with... but maybe all that isnt an isue anymore, if thats the case,
> what GUI would you recoment?

I see that there is a KDE CD and an XFCE CD - this would lead to believe
it probably defaults to Gnome. I'd recommend you install KDE and Gnome.
Use them both and see what you prefer. I've used KDE for a long time, but
recently changed my preference to Gnome.

BTW - you'll probably want to try the newtork install rather than download
all 24 CDs or three DVDs.


>
> Well, that was it for now i think, thank you in advance...
>
>
> Regards

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ray writes:
> If it is a 64bit then I should think IA64.

No.  IA64 is Intel Itanium.  He wants amd64.

zacariaz wrote:
> Which GUI does debian recoment?

Debian doesn't recommend any particular desktop.  You can choose KDE or
Gnome or XFCE or no "desktop" at all.

> i want to use whatever debian has been testet with...

Debian has been tested with everything that it includes.

ray writes:
> BTW - you'll probably want to try the newtork install rather than
> download all 24 CDs or three DVDs.

Right, but he wouldn't need all the CDs anyway.  Most of them contain only
source.
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><zacariaz@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1177378362.250711.268240@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>Yes, i've desided to install Debian on my laptop, however there are
>question i have been unable to get answers too.
>
>1. Which processor architecture? the cpu im using is an "Intel®
>Centrino® CoreT2 Duo T7200" and i know of course that the x86 will
>work, but what about the dual core and 64 bit thingy... Will it limit
>the cpu? should i use amd64 instead? I mean it is a intel cpu... At
>first the IA-64 seemed a logically choice as the former architecture
>was called ia-32, but there is, it seems, some confusion there.
>
>2. The chipset im using is "Intel® 945PM Express". How do i know if it
>is possible to get compatible driver and stuff?
>
>3. Which GUI does debian recoment? I seem to remember reading
>something about them not recomenting KDE even though i've allso read
>that it should be very good. Then there is gnome, and some others...
>The reason for this seemenly stupid question is that i want it to work
>as a whole and therefor i want to use whatever debian has been testet
>with... but maybe all that isnt an isue anymore, if thats the case,
>what GUI would you recoment?
>
>Well, that was it for now i think, thank you in advance...
>
>Regards

1. IA-64 is ITANIUM.  You want the AMD64 version of the software
if you still want to do the 64bit thing.  Intels' official name for AMD64
type software is EM64T which is a mouthfull and Intel is trying to
change it.  Intel is pissed that the 64bit version of the software has AMD
in the name of it.  Most people still use the 32bit version of the software
even on AMD64 type systems since the 64bit software especially the
drivers haven't matured yet.

2. The chipset isn't the big problem, getting drivers for wifi and sleep
modes are.  I would suggest DO NOT start with Debian, start with
Ubuntu 7.04 i386 Desktop in live mode to see if it picks up all the
devices in the laptop.  If it does, install and use it for a while.  The
standard interface will be Gnome.  Gnome is a little behind KDE in
its' "slickness" but I prefer Gnome for the way it started out with
the licensing issues (KDE has long worked them out).  Once the
64bit driver issues have been worked out, you can switch to that
later.  One big reason to use the AMD64 version of the software
is if your system has more than 4 Gigabytes of ram (not likely).

3. KDE has a few more programs in the standard install than
Gnome and it does look a little more glossy but Gnome is getting
there.  Once you do an install you can add "thousands" of programs
to do tons of different things.  I would like to see Gnome and KDE
combine with lots of eye candy and lots of sound candy for the
masses but I doubt that will ever happen.  It would do wonders
for the Linux community against Windows.  There are other
"windowing" gui's but they tend to be designed for other perposes
like size or speed or smallness of resource requirements.

later.....

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Thank for all the answers, they seem to answer most of my questions,
but a few still remains about the architecture.

If i understood correctly i can choose either AMD64 or x86, they
should both work, but i've allso heard about x86-64, even though i
havent been able to find anything about it on debians site.

The bottom line is that the kernel i want to use have to be able to
handle both the 64bit part and the multiple cores part.

If i install the x86 (to be on the safe side), is it then polssible to
upgrade the kernel to do that or do i have to start out with AMD64 to
get 64bit support? Does AMD64 allso have multiple cores support?

Regards

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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:32:11 -0500, John Hasler wrote:

> ray writes: 
>
> No.  IA64 is Intel Itanium.  He wants amd64.
>
> zacariaz wrote: 
>
> Debian doesn't recommend any particular desktop.  You can choose KDE or
> Gnome or XFCE or no "desktop" at all.
> 
>
> Debian has been tested with everything that it includes.
>
> ray writes: 
>
> Right, but he wouldn't need all the CDs anyway.  Most of them contain only
> source.

I would assume that would be the case for the DVDs as well - is there a
list somewhere of which ones you'd need?

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ray writes:
> I would assume that would be the case for the DVDs as well - is there a
> list somewhere of which ones you'd need?

The first CD/DVD contains all of the essential and important stuff and as
much more as will fit.  The CD/DVDs are filled in order of popularity of
packages.  The first one will give you a working system with a desktop (if
you want a desktop).  Other packages can be installed over the Net as you
find that you need them.
--
John Hasler

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Hello

ray (<ray@zianet.com> ) wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:32:11 -0500, John Hasler wrote: 

Sorry, they don't. The sources are on the 21(!) source CDs. Compare:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd.../source/iso-cd/

regards
Andreas Janssen

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:41:08 -0700, zacariaz wrote:

> Thank for all the answers, they seem to answer most of my questions,
> but a few still remains about the architecture.
>
> If i understood correctly i can choose either AMD64 or x86, they
> should both work, but i've allso heard about x86-64, even though i
> havent been able to find anything about it on debians site.
Other distros such as mandriva use x86_64 which seems to be the equivalent
to Debians amd64.

> The bottom line is that the kernel i want to use have to be able to
> handle both the 64bit part and the multiple cores part.
>
> If i install the x86 (to be on the safe side), is it then polssible to
> upgrade the kernel to do that or do i have to start out with AMD64 to
> get 64bit support? Does AMD64 allso have multiple cores support?
That I don't really know but would suspect that it does.




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Neil
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On Apr 24, 2:41 pm, zacar...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank for all the answers, they seem to answer most of my questions,
> but a few still remains about the architecture.
>
> If i understood correctly i can choose either AMD64 or x86, they
> should both work, but i've allso heard about x86-64, even though i
> havent been able to find anything about it on debians site.

x86-64 is an old name for AMD64.  You should use x86 or AMD64 on your
computer.

> The bottom line is that the kernel i want to use have to be able to
> handle both the 64bit part and the multiple cores part.

No problem, Debian (linux ?) has support for this before.

> If i install the x86 (to be on the safe side), is it then polssible to
> upgrade the kernel to do that or do i have to start out with AMD64 to
> get 64bit support? Does AMD64 allso have multiple cores support?

AMD64 has as x86 support for multiple CPUs (multiple cores).
I think that there is a AMD64 kernel package in Debian x86
installation.
To upgrade to AMD64 later, I think that you need to reinstall.

A tip, us a separate /home partition. Then it is much easier to make a
clean new installation without loosing user data.


> Regards

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