its normal much mails to newsgroup from type 1 remailers chain doesnt
appear to newsgroup?? or, its DOS attacks on remailers? how, I can
know why mails will not appear. type 1 stats says, many of type1
mailers its 100% but, many my mails and post will not delivered

its safe to enter to remailers chain from untrusted mailer or its
require all email must be send from tor??? when, there was not tor
how, people enter mails to remailers chain?

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Anonymous wrote:
> its normal much mails to newsgroup from type 1 remailers chain doesnt
> appear to newsgroup?? or, its DOS attacks on remailers? how, I can
> know why mails will not appear. type 1 stats says, many of type1
> mailers its 100% but, many my mails and post will not delivered
>
> its safe to enter to remailers chain from untrusted mailer or its
> require all email must be send from tor??? when, there was not tor
> how, people enter mails to remailers chain?

The remailer network is based on a lack of trust. iow, you don't need to
trust all the nodes you use. Just one that works like it should is
enough to give you privacy.

About type I. If you only want to send Type II is better and more secure.

About posting to newsgroups. Send your mail directly to a number of
mail2news gateways. If one m2n is down the others will receive it and
post it. You don't have to be afraid for doubles as the last remailer
will add a unique MessageID header that will prevent doubles.

Also. Some remailers block certain groups if abuse has taken place in
them through that remailer. The remedy is to use a remailer that doesn't
block the group you are trying to post to.

hth,
Thomas
- --
"Forget it. I am taking my own chances now" - Dee, Mean Guns
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hi thanks Thomas

> The remailer network is based on a lack of trust. iow, you don't need
> to trust all the nodes you use. Just one that works like it should is
> enough to give you privacy.

if remailer in middle of chains not work its not big problem i think
but, if 1st remailer not work then its problem. because, they
can say from email addres is belong to troublemaker why, he use a
remailers network???? it should be some posibility of enter to
remailers chains without reveal email addr or ip address or
people thinks its not necesary?? how its private if posibility to
know sombody is send mail to this networks

> About posting to newsgroups. Send your mail directly to a number of
> mail2news gateways. If one m2n is down the others will receive it and
> post it. You don't have to be afraid for doubles as the last remailer
> will add a unique MessageID header that will prevent doubles.

how it can prevent of doubles?? my example is, send msg thru few of
remailers chain and it will post from last. how, it can nknow some msg
its already post?

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In article < 93639a8f0f3c8cec6ff704fc7618f503@remaile
r.paranoici.org>
Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
>
> its normal much mails to newsgroup from type 1 remailers chain doesnt
> appear to newsgroup?? or, its DOS attacks on remailers? how, I can
> know why mails will not appear. type 1 stats says, many of type1
> mailers its 100% but, many my mails and post will not delivered

Is there a reason you can't use mixmaster? Type 1 is pretty much
obsolete and only kept around for use in nym reply blocks.

Also, eelbash recently opened a type 1 remailer that doesn't actually
support the type 1 protocol. If you used his remailer in your chain
that would explain missing mail.

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Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:

> hi thanks Thomas
> 
>
> if remailer in middle of chains not work its not big problem i think
> but, if 1st remailer not work then its problem. because, they
> can say from email addres is belong to troublemaker why, he use a
> remailers network???? it should be some posibility of enter to
> remailers chains without reveal email addr or ip address or
> people thinks its not necesary?? how its private if posibility to
> know sombody is send mail to this networks

It is possible, using Tor and submitting mail directly to one of the
remailers that accept mail on SMTPS or SUBMIT ports. In fact you really
don't really need the 'S' part of the SMTPS but normal SMTP is
generally blocked by Tor itself.

I believe there's some pretty good setup instructions for using Tor
this way on the Quicksilver site. (?)

You could also set up an anonymous connection to some other machine and
post from it directly. A shell account that allowed you to install
Mixmaster would work beautifully, and an SSH port forward would let you
use just about any mail client to post/mail.
 
>
> how it can prevent of doubles?? my example is, send msg thru few of
> remailers chain and it will post from last. how, it can nknow some msg
> its already post?

Message-ID, hashes of the message itself, etc....

>

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In article < 93639a8f0f3c8cec6ff704fc7618f503@remaile
r.paranoici.org>
Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
>
> its safe to enter to remailers chain from untrusted mailer or its
> require all email must be send from tor??? when, there was not tor
> how, people enter mails to remailers chain?

If you're using eelbash as the first remailer in your chain, then
definitely use tor to connect. He logs *everything*.

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Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:

> In article < 93639a8f0f3c8cec6ff704fc7618f503@remaile
r.paranoici.org>
> Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote: 
>
> If you're using eelbash as the first remailer in your chain, then
> definitely use tor to connect. He logs *everything*.

It's no wonder frog XXXXX slapped you every chance he got, you're every
bit the obsessive prat he and eelfart are/were. It's like the three of
you are identical triplets competing to see who can repeat the other
siblings' names the most.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:40:26 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:

> its normal much mails to newsgroup from type 1 remailers chain doesnt
> appear to newsgroup?? or, its DOS attacks on remailers? how, I can
> know why mails will not appear. type 1 stats says, many of type1
> mailers its 100% but, many my mails and post will not delivered
>
> its safe to enter to remailers chain from untrusted mailer or its
> require all email must be send from tor??? when, there was not tor
> how, people enter mails to remailers chain?

Here's a better question, why, if you're so worried about anonymity, is
posting to Usenet so XXXXing important to chance getting uncovered?

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hi peoples its example my miss a post again mine dont arrive to group
i combine, some question of peoples to this msg
 
[vbcol=seagreen]
> It is possible, using Tor and submitting mail directly to one of the
> remailers that accept mail on SMTPS or SUBMIT ports. In fact you
> really don't really need the 'S' part of the SMTPS but normal SMTP
> is generally blocked by Tor itself.

> I believe there's some pretty good setup instructions for using Tor
> this way on the Quicksilver site. (?)

i read on interesting applications of jnb and quicksilvers but, i cant
use it because he is windows applicatinos and i prefer, diferent one

my method, its some script and this script will prepare type 1 msg of
how many remailers chain i will selecte it and, i paste msg to webmail
from tor conection. its simple way for me but, tor its slow and its
not always posibility to make connection of website. because of it, i
want to find anonymous method of enter to remailers chain.

> You could also set up an anonymous connection to some other machine
> and post from it directly. A shell account that allowed you to
> install Mixmaster would work beautifully, and an SSH port forward
> would let you use just about any mail client to post/mail.

its interesting idea but, im not understand of how it can work. its
same problem how, its posibile to trust a machine. i think, entry to
system its weak point. somebody said, 1 remailer works correct in this
chains its enough to make a privacy. but i see, enter and exits to
remailers chain its bit weak point of this method. its not destroy
privacy because, msg its encrypted. but its destroy part of anonymous
because, its posibility to see who will use a remailers networks

> Is there a reason you can't use mixmaster? Type 1 is pretty much
> obsolete and only kept around for use in nym reply blocks.

i dont see if, i can use a mixmaster to create msg posible to paste to
webmails interface. i think after mixmaster create some msg its not
posibile to look inside this msg. because of it i create, some script
which format type 1 msg insert all of header and necesary informations
and i can test exactly this msg format if i will create msg and use
this scripts to make type 1 chains of fake remailers chain. after it
its posibile to reverse a process to recover input msg. its experiment
for me because, i want to understand how, this remailers systems is
work. because of it, i think how, its posibile to have risk in this
systems and, which parts of this systesm is securely anonymous

i read, many of type 1 remailes he will reformat type 1 msg to type 2
msg betwen some of remailers i think type 1 msg can get same security
between a mixmasters remailers somtimes

anyway if somebody use mixmaster its original problem, how i can enter
this msg to remailers chain and, nobody can see entry point to
remailers chain

> Also, eelbash recently opened a type 1 remailer that doesn't
> actually support the type 1 protocol. If you used his remailer in
> your chain that would explain missing mail.

i dont use remailer of elbash because, its to many bad post of it on
this newsgroups. its very good if peoples will give corect
informations on remailers works good but, if they will say something
not true then, its false and its not good to say it. in worlds of
security we know, douts is big probelm so informations to this
newsgroups it must be corect informations

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On Apr 26, 12:07 am, Ari <arisilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Here's a better question, why, if you're so worried about anonymity, is
> posting to Usenet so XXXXing important to chance getting uncovered?

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my
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