I just looked at cotse for the first time in years.  No wonder
privacy.li is so upset about them.  Holy crap they've changed since I
last looked.  I had no idea they offered that much now.  lol, now I know
why all the focused attacks.  They must be squashing your balls huh,
Adem?  Youch.

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:00:29 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:

> I just looked at cotse for the first time in years.  No wonder
> privacy.li is so upset about them.  Holy crap they've changed since I
> last looked.  I had no idea they offered that much now.  lol, now I know
> why all the focused attacks.  They must be squashing your balls huh,
> Adem?

If there is a God......

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:00:29 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> I just looked at cotse for the first time in years.  No wonder
> privacy.li is so upset about them.  Holy crap they've changed since I
> last looked.  I had no idea they offered that much now.  lol, now I know
> why all the focused attacks.  They must be squashing your balls huh,
> Adem?  Youch.
>

It doesn't look like they are even in the same business.

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Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:00:29 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote: 
>
> It doesn't look like they are even in the same business.

They're in the EXACT same business. That business being a proxy between you
and the rest of the world that insulates you from the idiots and a
few other bad things. They're both privacy services, keeping your personal
information out of the hands of other people almost entirely by simply not
handing it over to them. Their integrity IS their business.

Neither one can make you anonymous and neither one is immune to being
compromised by the law or anyone else. In fact recent developments show
that one service is probably a LOT more susceptible to being compromised
than the other because of it's essentially nonexistent administration.

But the real difference between the two is the fact that one is run
honestly and openly, and the other is 100% pure oil of snakes run by a
coward who has to hide behind his keyboard while he spews invectives at
people he doesn't like. His competitors, detractors, and Jews comprising
the bulk of that group. A "person" who has wasted his entire life being
nothing but a hateful, spiteful, criminal.

Why anyone would trust that sort of person with their privacy is
impossible to fathom. It's like letting the town pervert babysit.
Literally. You either have to be completely clueless about the scum you're
dealing with, or be scum yourself. There's no middle road. The scum is too
think and too smelly to be viewed by normal people with anything but
contempt.

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Anonymous Remailer wrote:
 
>
> They're in the EXACT same business. That business being a proxy
between you
> and the rest of the world that insulates you from the idiots and a
> few other bad things. They're both privacy services, keeping your personal
> information out of the hands of other people almost entirely by simply not
> handing it over to them. Their integrity IS their business.
>

What I meant was that cotse looks like it focuses on e-mail and web
hosting, but also offers SSH.  They seem to have a huge list of features
but only skim over the SSH and proxies, they don't focus on it.   Look
at the difference on their home page with how they list their their
products, you'll see what I mean.

Privacy.li looks like it just offers SSH and banking stuff.  Their focus
is tunnels.  But other than SSH overlap, these two services have nothing
in common.  Then I see that cotse only claims to offer privacy and
privacy.li claims to offer anonymity.  Not the same business all the way
around.

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Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> 
> between you 
>
> What I meant was that cotse looks like it focuses on e-mail and web
> hosting, but also offers SSH.  They seem to have a huge list of features
> but only skim over the SSH and proxies, they don't focus on it.   Look
> at the difference on their home page with how they list their their
> products, you'll see what I mean.
>
> Privacy.li looks like it just offers SSH and banking stuff.  Their focus
> is tunnels.  But other than SSH overlap, these two services have nothing
> in common.  Then I see that cotse only claims to offer privacy and
> privacy.li claims to offer anonymity.  Not the same business all the way
> around.

You couldn't be more wrong. They're the same type of business all the way
around. Cotse does promote it's email services quite heavily, and they're
the best money can buy so they should. Privacy.LIE has similar email
services, but they suck so they don't get promoted at all. They both offer
tunnels. Privacy.LIE promotes them because it's the only thing they offer
that's worth promoting, except they lie about what their tunnels can
protect you from, and their security absolutely sucks. The reason you
don't see endless pages about how Cotse's tunnels are the best thing since
sliced bread is because there's not a whole lot about tunneling to
promote. Pretty basic stuff. YOu make an encrypted connection and the
server relays it. What's to "promote", but a bunch of hype and lies?

Privacy.LIE doesn't offer any banking services at all directly any more.
They advertise and spam for bank scams, money laundering services, ripoff
document forgery sites, and crap software like Evidence Eliminator. They
even ran a pot seed selling scam for a while. It's why their home base
isn't even in Lichtenstein any more. He's undoubtedly still involved in
all that crap, but not officially. That's one of the reasons he fabricated
the transferring of the business to a "former employee", to distance the
snake oil privacy service from the other illegal activity.

The only difference between the two is the people running them. Cotse is
run honestly, privacy.LIE is a total scam, and you're letting yourself be
hoodwinked by the scammer's line of BS if you believe there's any other
significant difference between them. If a competent, honest owner ever
took over privacy.LIE there would be no real differences between them at
all.

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