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    IOS conferencing question  
Ruttman, Pete G.


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08-02-07 12:11 AM

We have 3845 routers with NM-HDV2 modules at each site to support local
PRIs and conferencing.  We have PVDM-64 installed on the HDV2 modules.
I am setting up conferencing on the routers and I want to eliminate
unnecessary codec from the list of codecs supported.  We use 7960 and
790x phones.  Callmanager is configured for calls over the WAN to be
g.729 and we use g.711 internally to each office.   A user at any site
can envoke local conference resource to conferenc PSTN calls,  local
phones and phones located across the WAN.

I can leave the following config but it wastes DSP resources:

dspfarm profile 1 conference
description office Conference 1
codec g711ulaw
codec g729r8
codec g711alaw
codec g729ar8
codec g729abr8
codec g729br8
associate application SCCP
maximum sessions 4


What can I remove from the codec list?

Thanks,

Pete Ruttman

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    Re: IOS conferencing question  
Ruttman, Pete G.


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08-04-07 12:11 AM

Okay.  Let me rework that question.  When I select g729 in Callmanager
what version of g729 is actually used?

________________________________

From: Chris D'amore [mailto:CDAmore@jackhenry.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Ruttman, Pete G.
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question



You should not use g729b at all in your network. This is because VAD is
enabled in this codec. It can't be disabled with using g729b.

 

 

From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ruttman, Pete
G.
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:30 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question

 

We have 3845 routers with NM-HDV2 modules at each site to support local
PRIs and conferencing.  We have PVDM-64 installed on the HDV2 modules.
I am setting up conferencing on the routers and I want to eliminate
unnecessary codec from the list of codecs supported.  We use 7960 and
790x phones.  Callmanager is configured for calls over the WAN to be
g.729 and we use g.711 internally to each office.   A user at any site
can envoke local conference resource to conferenc PSTN calls,  local
phones and phones located across the WAN.

I can leave the following config but it wastes DSP resources: 

dspfarm profile 1 conference 
description office Conference 1 
codec g711ulaw 
codec g729r8 
codec g711alaw 
codec g729ar8 
codec g729abr8 
codec g729br8 
associate application SCCP 
maximum sessions 4 

 

What can I remove from the codec list? 

Thanks, 

Pete Ruttman 


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    Re: IOS conferencing question  
Avner Izhar


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08-04-07 06:11 AM

g729r8
 
-------------------------------------------
thanks,
Avner Izhar
CCIE#15999 (Voice), CCVP.
Technical Instructor
CCBOOTCAMP - A cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
Email: aizhar@ccbootcamp.com <mailto:aizhar@ccbootcamp.com> 
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To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
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from][html-rem]



Okay.  Let me rework that question.  When I select g729 in Callmanager
what version of g729 is actually used?

________________________________

From: Chris D'amore [mailto:CDAmore@jackhenry.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Ruttman, Pete G.
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question



You should not use g729b at all in your network. This is because VAD is
enabled in this codec. It can't be disabled with using g729b.





From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ruttman, Pete
G.
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:30 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question



We have 3845 routers with NM-HDV2 modules at each site to support local
PRIs and conferencing.  We have PVDM-64 installed on the HDV2 modules.
I am setting up conferencing on the routers and I want to eliminate
unnecessary codec from the list of codecs supported.  We use 7960 and
790x phones.  Callmanager is configured for calls over the WAN to be
g.729 and we use g.711 internally to each office.   A user at any site
can envoke local conference resource to conferenc PSTN calls,  local
phones and phones located across the WAN.

I can leave the following config but it wastes DSP resources:

dspfarm profile 1 conference
description office Conference 1
codec g711ulaw
codec g729r8
codec g711alaw
codec g729ar8
codec g729abr8
codec g729br8
associate application SCCP
maximum sessions 4



What can I remove from the codec list?

Thanks,

Pete Ruttman


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    Re: IOS conferencing question  
Justin Steinberg


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08-04-07 06:11 PM

depends on the capabilities of your endpoints and the endpoints codec
priority list.

CCM has a service parameter where CCM will strip g729b thus preventing it
from being used in your network.  I usually turn this parameter on during
installs to prevent the use of silence suppression.

Look for ccm service parameter "strip g729 annex B"

Justin


On 8/3/07, Ruttman, Pete G. <PRuttman@foley.com> wrote:
>
>  Okay.  Let me rework that question.  When I select g729 in Callmanager
> what version of g729 is actually used?
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Chris D'amore [mailto:CDAmore@jackhenry.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 03, 2007 2:00 PM
> *To:* Ruttman, Pete G.
> *Subject:* RE: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question
>
>  You should not use g729b at all in your network. This is because VAD is
> enabled in this codec. It can't be disabled with using g729b.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:
> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Ruttman, Pete G.
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question
>
>
>
> We have 3845 routers with NM-HDV2 modules at each site to support local
> PRIs and conferencing.  We have PVDM-64 installed on the HDV2 modules.  I 
am
> setting up conferencing on the routers and I want to eliminate unnecessary
> codec from the list of codecs supported.  We use 7960 and 790x phones.
> Callmanager is configured for calls over the WAN to be g.729 and we use
> g.711 internally to each office.   A user at any site can envoke local
> conference resource to conferenc PSTN calls,  local phones and phones
> located across the WAN.
>
> I can leave the following config but it wastes DSP resources:
>
> dspfarm profile 1 conference
>  description office Conference 1
>  codec g711ulaw
>  codec g729r8
>  codec g711alaw
>  codec g729ar8
>  codec g729abr8
>  codec g729br8
>  associate application SCCP
>  maximum sessions 4
>
>
>
> What can I remove from the codec list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete Ruttman
>
>
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&
> Lardner LLP client(s) represented by the Firm in the particular matter tha
t
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    Re: IOS conferencing question  
Ruttman, Pete G.


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08-05-07 12:11 AM

Our endpoints are 7960, 790x and 793x.

 

________________________________

From: Justin Steinberg [mailto:jsteinberg@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:26 AM
To: Ruttman, Pete G.
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question

 

depends on the capabilities of your endpoints and the endpoints codec
priority list.

CCM has a service parameter where CCM will strip g729b thus preventing
it from being used in your network.  I usually turn this parameter on
during installs to prevent the use of silence suppression. 

Look for ccm service parameter "strip g729 annex B"

Justin



On 8/3/07, Ruttman, Pete G. <PRuttman@foley.com> wrote:

Okay.  Let me rework that question.  When I select g729 in Callmanager
what version of g729 is actually used?

________________________________

From: Chris D'amore [mailto:CDAmore@jackhenry.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Ruttman, Pete G.
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question

You should not use g729b at all in your network. This is because VAD is
enabled in this codec. It can't be disabled with using g729b.

 

 

From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net> ] On Behalf Of Ruttman, Pete
G.
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:30 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question

 

We have 3845 routers with NM-HDV2 modules at each site to support local
PRIs and conferencing.  We have PVDM-64 installed on the HDV2 modules.
I am setting up conferencing on the routers and I want to eliminate
unnecessary codec from the list of codecs supported.  We use 7960 and
790x phones.  Callmanager is configured for calls over the WAN to be
g.729 and we use g.711 internally to each office.   A user at any site
can envoke local conference resource to conferenc PSTN calls,  local
phones and phones located across the WAN.

I can leave the following config but it wastes DSP resources: 

dspfarm profile 1 conference 
description office Conference 1 
codec g711ulaw 
codec g729r8 
codec g711alaw 
codec g729ar8 
codec g729abr8 
codec g729br8 
associate application SCCP 
maximum sessions 4 

 

What can I remove from the codec list? 

Thanks, 

Pete Ruttman 


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    Re: IOS conferencing question  
Ruttman, Pete G.


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08-07-07 06:11 PM

How would I see this is the case?  Traces in CCM?  Debugs on the
gateway?  
 
Pete

________________________________

From: Avner Izhar [mailto:aizhar@ccbootcamp.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:11 PM
To: Ruttman, Pete G.; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question
[bcc][faked-from][html-rem]


g729r8
 
-------------------------------------------
thanks,
Avner Izhar
CCIE#15999 (Voice), CCVP.
Technical Instructor
CCBOOTCAMP - A cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
Email: aizhar@ccbootcamp.com <mailto:aizhar@ccbootcamp.com> 
Toll Free: 877-654-2243
Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
FAX: +1-702-446-8012
YES! We take cisco Learning Credits!
Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html

________________________________

From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net on behalf of Ruttman, Pete G.
Sent: Fri 8/3/2007 5:03 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question
[bcc][faked-from][html-rem]



Okay.  Let me rework that question.  When I select g729 in Callmanager
what version of g729 is actually used?

________________________________

From: Chris D'amore [mailto:CDAmore@jackhenry.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Ruttman, Pete G.
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question



You should not use g729b at all in your network. This is because VAD is
enabled in this codec. It can't be disabled with using g729b.





From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ruttman, Pete
G.
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:30 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] IOS conferencing question



We have 3845 routers with NM-HDV2 modules at each site to support local
PRIs and conferencing.  We have PVDM-64 installed on the HDV2 modules.
I am setting up conferencing on the routers and I want to eliminate
unnecessary codec from the list of codecs supported.  We use 7960 and
790x phones.  Callmanager is configured for calls over the WAN to be
g.729 and we use g.711 internally to each office.   A user at any site
can envoke local conference resource to conferenc PSTN calls,  local
phones and phones located across the WAN.

I can leave the following config but it wastes DSP resources:

dspfarm profile 1 conference
description office Conference 1
codec g711ulaw
codec g729r8
codec g711alaw
codec g729ar8
codec g729abr8
codec g729br8
associate application SCCP
maximum sessions 4



What can I remove from the codec list?

Thanks,

Pete Ruttman


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