On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:58:29 +0100
Tony van der Hoff <news@nospam.vanderhoff.org> wrote:

<snip>

> Hmm, they don't seem to be too keen on people finding the licence conditio
ns
> on their web site; where did you find it?

http://www.microware.com/corporate/copyright.cfm

it's not clear *exactly* what that applies to 

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Folderol wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:04:53 +0100
> Martin Gregorie <martin@see.sig.for.address> wrote:
> 
>
> <snip>
> 
>
> As I said, I only had a quick look. I'm currently looking at several
> different options. One thing I especially want to mitigate if at all
> possible is hardware obsolescence. So I want to try and build
> flexibility into the design.
> 
>
> One problem is that it seems I need a windows box to run the software
> that runs the software if you get my drift. Or have a missed something
> here?
>
OS-9 is a full OS in its own right and runs stand-alone on PC hardware.
It just won;t need much of it. I'd expect it to run on the low power
mini-IPX boards for example.

There is a Windows-based IDE and cross compiler available, but thats not
necessary. OS-9 ships with a full set of development tools. If you don't
mind developing via a 25x80 text-mode terminal you can just drop an
X-term definition into /dd/sys/termcap, plug an RS-232 line from it into
your Linux box and use minicom to talk to it. That's exactly what I'm
doing at present.

Radisys European support is in Germany if you want to talk to them. Tony
Mountifield may know of some UK support: since Windrush vanished I no
longer have local commercial contacts. I do know if a contact in Germany
(www.simontech.de) and Allan Batteiger (www.rtsi.com) in the USA is very
helpful and supports a free OS-9 software archive. Or you could ask on
comp.os.os9 - its pretty inactive, but a number of useful people still
watch it.


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In article <03ivs4-jvs.ln1@zoogz.gregorie.org>,
Martin Gregorie  <martin@see.sig.for.address> wrote:
>
> Radisys European support is in Germany if you want to talk to them. Tony
> Mountifield may know of some UK support: since Windrush vanished I no
> longer have local commercial contacts.

I'm afraid I don't know the current OS-9 world at all. I looked on
Radisys' site the other day and saw that Wordsworth Technology are
listed as a reseller in the UK, but I don't know whether that is just on
their own hardware. They were an OS-9 customer when I was at Microware -
I wonder if Kevan Wells is still in charge?

Cheers
Tony
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In article news:<03ivs4-jvs.ln1@zoogz.gregorie.org>, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
> OS-9 is a full OS in its own right and runs stand-alone on PC
> hardware. It just won;t need much of it. I'd expect it to run on
> the low power mini-IPX boards for example.

Not that that's saying much ... even the lowest-powered mini-ITX boards
will run Windows or linux (though they don't really hold enough RAM for
Vasti). OS-9 should run quite nicely on much more modest hardware than
that.

I remember thinking how nice OS-9 looked back when it ran on 6809s, but
I never actually invested in any hardware to run it on. Nice to see it's
still around.

Linux is cheaper, though ...

Cheers,
Daniel.

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:38 +0100
Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:44:37 +0100
> anahata <anahata@reply-to.address> wrote:
> 
>
> Hmmm. Looks like a nice module, and reasonably cheap too, however the
> graphic controls are nowhere near good enough.
>
> I suppose I could get one of these to do all the number crunching then
> spit results via RS232 to a lightweight computer acting as a display
> manager and user interface.

I've had a more detailed look and it won't do the job.

There seems to be no facility for setting up 'proper' interrupts and
the task latency is quoted as 1mS, that would represent a loss of up
to 12 counts each task switch.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:47:14 +0100
Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:10:52 +0000 (UTC)
> Tim Woodall <devnull@woodall.me.uk> wrote:
> 
>
> Thanks I didn't realise it was this fast. It will bear further
> investigation.

Well this seems to be able to do the job (on paper) However, one worry
is how long MOBOs will still be fitted with parallel ports. We don't
want to end up designing something that can't be maintained in 5 years
time.

I'm wading through info on parallel port control. It's quite heavy going
for me 

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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:09:47 +0100
Martin Gregorie <martin@see.sig.for.address> wrote:

> Folderol wrote: 
> OS-9 is a full OS in its own right and runs stand-alone on PC hardware.
> It just won;t need much of it. I'd expect it to run on the low power
> mini-IPX boards for example.
>
> There is a Windows-based IDE and cross compiler available, but thats not
> necessary. OS-9 ships with a full set of development tools. If you don't
> mind developing via a 25x80 text-mode terminal you can just drop an
> X-term definition into /dd/sys/termcap, plug an RS-232 line from it into
> your Linux box and use minicom to talk to it. That's exactly what I'm
> doing at present.
>
> Radisys European support is in Germany if you want to talk to them. Tony
> Mountifield may know of some UK support: since Windrush vanished I no
> longer have local commercial contacts. I do know if a contact in Germany
> (www.simontech.de) and Allan Batteiger (www.rtsi.com) in the USA is very
> helpful and supports a free OS-9 software archive. Or you could ask on
> comp.os.os9 - its pretty inactive, but a number of useful people still
> watch it.

Thanks again.

I'll do some more digging on this then.

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:37:43 +0100
Daniel James <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote:

> I remember thinking how nice OS-9 looked back when it ran on 6809s, but
> I never actually invested in any hardware to run it on. Nice to see it's
> still around.
>
> Linux is cheaper, though ...

But not exactly the easiest thing in the world to get to grips with 

So far my investigations turn up stuff that is either vastly
over-complicated for what I want to do, or totally inadequate.

... cue conspiracy theory 

Now if I had a BBC Model B that ran at 20 Mhz 

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Folderol wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:38 +0100
>
> I've had a more detailed look and it won't do the job.
>
> There seems to be no facility for setting up 'proper' interrupts and
> the task latency is quoted as 1mS, that would represent a loss of up
> to 12 counts each task switch.

I'm not sure exactly what you want to measure, but there are pulse
counting and pulse width measuring facilities in hardware (on the CPU
chip), with much better time resolution than that.


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On Sep 30, 10:33 pm, Folderol <folde...@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:47:14 +0100
>
>
>
> Folderol <folde...@ukfsn.org> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Well this seems to be able to do the job (on paper) However, one worry
> is how long MOBOs will still be fitted with parallel ports. We don't
> want to end up designing something that can't be maintained in 5 years
> time.
>

I've never used them but how about a PIC microcontroller then?

I think they go up to about 20MHz.

Many of them have built in serial support which you can either connect
direct to the PC or via a USB to serial converter.

Although actually using the serial port is going to be borderline for
you unless the port will go above 115200bits/s if you need the raw
data in the PC.

This http://www.mev.co.uk/usbtop.htm claims to have native drivers in
linux and supports up to 1Mb/s


Tim.

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