>> test -n "$KDEWM" && KDEWM="--windowmanager $KDEWM" 
> 
>
> As you too concluded, the problem seems to be in the kwrapper line
>
> I would suggest you add the following line before it
>
> test -n "$KDEWM" && KDEWM="--windowmanager $KDEWM"
> echo "kwrapper ksmserver $KDEWM" >> /home/ant/download/log.txt
> kwrapper ksmserver $KDEWM

OK, I copied exactly how you had it.


> This way you will see exactly what the command gets as parameters.

I checked in /home/ant/download and see nothing! No log created during
the hang. The log showed "kwrapper ksmserver" after I hit
ctrl-alt-backspace. 


> Looking at your strace results, I think it may be your /tmp that is part o
f
> the problem (I may be wrong too)

Maybe. I never had problems weeks ago. Wouldn't Gnome use /tmp too? I
even deleted everything in it too. Here is what it looks like when I ls
-all in /:

drwxrwxrwt  29 root root  4096 2007-11-19 10:01 tmp


> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 19) = -1 EN
OENT (No
> such file or directory)
> close(3)                                = 0
>
> I guess that the user you are starting the startx with may not have full
> privileges on the directory, try with 'chmod 1777 -R /tmp', that should ta
ke
> care of all rights, you could test and see if it helped or not, if not, th
en
> this wasn't the problem (don't worry, 1777 is what the /tmp should have).

I checked again and it looked the same:
drwxrwxrwt  29 root root  4096 2007-11-19 10:01 tmp
Restarting X with KDE still hangs. 


> Next thing that looks a bit bad is
>
> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6000),
> sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refuse
d)
> close(3
>
> This leads to another possible problem, your X is started with "-nolisten
> tcp", which means it won't listen to tcp/ip traffic, while the row above l
ets
> me think that KDE is set to use tcp/ip for communication.
>
> I would suggest you edit your startx, change
>
> defaultserverargs="-nolisten tcp -br"
>
> to
>
> defaultserverargs="-br"

Um, I don't have that parameter in that line at all! Here's my startx
copy online: http://pastebin.ca/784413


> Try again, if it won't work now, then I'm out of ideas for the moment.

So, I tried both defaultserverargs="-nolisten tcp -br" and
defaultserverargs="-br" separately but again they hung. 


A KDE developer told me to run kdebugdialog in the KDE's mailing list: I
checked ALL options (forgot to see if ksmserver was checked already or
not) and ran startkde from Gnome's terminal (did this twice in two
different X sessions to be sure):

$ startkde
startkde: Starting up...
ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 12634, errno = 95
ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 12636, errno = 0
WARNING: DCOP communication problem!
kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!

<<I hit my enter key a few times (was frustrated) in Gnome terminal and
it threw more messages in Gnnome terminal; I couldn't reproduce this
through startx though and I don't know if these are valid and useful
errors to us>>

kbuildsycoca running...

kwin: unable to claim manager selection, another wm running? (try using
--replace)

ASSERT: "!name.isEmpty()" in
/build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.8.dfsg.1/./kio/kio/kdirlister.cpp (969)
add font path: '/home/ant/.fonts'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/latex-xft-fonts'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/sjfonts'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/dustin'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/kochi'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/type1'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/util'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi'
add font path: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1'
loaded font VeraMoBd/8
loaded font Vera/7
xscreensaver: 09:37:02: already running on display :0.0 (window
0x2200001) from process 12645
+(ant@ANTian).

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