Suggestions / ideas please we have a home network that is becoming over
loaded, ie drives are filling up.

Now is the time to look at tape backup ( to releive the disks and to add
security )

we are running PC's with XP Home and Pro and have about 300gb to backup.

Would like to use a media that can be stored in a fireproof safe.

Budget is definately a consideration.

Any hepl appreciated

Andy

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You say in your subject that you would like to use DLT.
From a tech. point DLT is ok for this kind of network, but you should
look if you are willing to pay the money.

At work we only use DLT at small sites and we have moved to DLT drives
from Dell including buying the DLT tapes.
We haven't been shopping around to find the lowest prices, but they
seem faily low. (normaly we only use StorageTek tape drives and tapes)

But you should also look at some firewire/USB diskdrives for backup.
It could be that they would also solve your task and even at a lower
price.

On the backup software site I am not the best to ask about a privat
network. I always go for Veritas Netbackup, but that has a too high
price for most small installations (including a ton of features that
you wouldn't need)

/johnny

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:04:46 GMT, "andy" <aaa@bbbc.com> wrote:

>Suggestions / ideas please we have a home network that is becoming over
>loaded, ie drives are filling up.
>
>Now is the time to look at tape backup ( to releive the disks and to add
>security )
>
>we are running PC's with XP Home and Pro and have about 300gb to backup.
>
>Would like to use a media that can be stored in a fireproof safe.
>
>Budget is definately a consideration.
>
>Any hepl appreciated
>
>Andy
>
>

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quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Oestergaard 
You say in your subject that you would like to use DLT.
From a tech. point DLT is ok for this kind of network, but you should
look if you are willing to pay the money.
>
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I definately second that. I use DLT and SDLT at work, but I think the drives
 and media add up to too much investment for a home network. I just use remo
vable IDE drives and a USB2 external drive enclosure to shuffle data around 
at home. If I decide I really want to keep something I burn it to DVD.

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Johnny, thanks for your comments, we already have stand alone disk drives,
as i suggested in my post we are looking at tape mainly for the security
aspect.

I will have a look at the Dell site

Thanks

Andy
"Johnny Oestergaard" <joe@joe.net> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> You say in your subject that you would like to use DLT.
> From a tech. point DLT is ok for this kind of network, but you should
> look if you are willing to pay the money.
>
> At work we only use DLT at small sites and we have moved to DLT drives
> from Dell including buying the DLT tapes.
> We haven't been shopping around to find the lowest prices, but they
> seem faily low. (normaly we only use StorageTek tape drives and tapes)
>
> But you should also look at some firewire/USB diskdrives for backup.
> It could be that they would also solve your task and even at a lower
> price.
>
> On the backup software site I am not the best to ask about a privat
> network. I always go for Veritas Netbackup, but that has a too high
> price for most small installations (including a ton of features that
> you wouldn't need)
>
> /johnny
>
> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:04:46 GMT, "andy" <aaa@bbbc.com> wrote:
> 
>

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Andy,
you say that you are interested in tape backup because of the security
issue, well I think that you could add security issues also to a cd/dvd, for
example you can password protect the archive that it's created during the
backup process. And the CDs/DVDs then can be stored in your fireproof safe.
I always suggest using CD media type for backups instead of tape backup
because if you need to restore something it will take a while when you use a
tape, and the differences between the costs it's not so big.
Regarding the software you could use, there are many programs around $30
that could do that job for you. One of them it's Backup4all, you can try it
for 30 days before you decide to buy it or not. Download link:
http://www.backup4all.com/download.php
Hope this helps.

--
Regards,
Claudiu Spulber
http://www.backup4all.com
"andy" <aaa@bbbc.com> wrote in message
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> Johnny, thanks for your comments, we already have stand alone disk drives,
> as i suggested in my post we are looking at tape mainly for the security
> aspect.
>
> I will have a look at the Dell site
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
> "Johnny Oestergaard" <joe@joe.net> wrote in message
>  news:rdbke0tucuf9nmao1l5h54q64u29g9jbb3@
4ax.com... 
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>
>

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"Claudiu Spulber" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Andy,
> you say that you are interested in tape backup because of the security
> issue, well I think that you could add security issues also to a cd/dvd,
for
> example you can password protect the archive that it's created during the
> backup process. And the CDs/DVDs then can be stored in your fireproof
safe.
> I always suggest using CD media type for backups instead of tape backup
> because if you need to restore something it will take a while when you use
a
> tape, and the differences between the costs it's not so big.
> Regarding the software you could use, there are many programs around $30
> that could do that job for you. One of them it's Backup4all, you can try
it
> for 30 days before you decide to buy it or not. Download link:
> http://www.backup4all.com/download.php
> Hope this helps.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Claudiu Spulber

Claudiu,

Andy mentions he has about 300GB of data. How do you suggest handling a
stack of(300 / 4.9 = ) 61 DVD's or (300 / 0.7 = ) 428 CD-ROM's in a sensible
way? For data volumes of this size you need either a removable harddisk or a
tape system. Exabyte VXA-2 tape drives do 80GB native (160 compressed), so
2-5 tapes will do the job for him. Automate it with a 10-slot PacketLoader
1U and it's all hands-off. All for less then $2000 according to
www.pricewatch.com

Backup4all doesn't seem to support tape drives or libraries, are you
planning on adding support? If so, I may be able to help. I work for Exabyte
and I have plenty of tape programming experience..

Rob
rturk at exabyte dot com

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Rob,
I primarily looked for a lower cost solution, at least at first look. First
I must say that depending on what type of data Andy it's backing up the zip
could be finally less then 300Gb. But let's say there are about 60 DVDs, if
we calculate the cost I think (according to pricewatch) it will be between
$50-$200. The time to back up all that data let's say that would be between
30 - 50 hours(there are too many parameters so it's hard to predict more
precisely and of-course some automate solutions could be used) meaning that
maximum 6 working days (8 hour/day). So the balance would look like this: on
one side $175 the cost of 60 DVDs + the cost of the time spent for the
backup process and on the other side $2000 and the cost of the backup time.

Now I must say I would be interested in finding out more about the tape
backup solutions Exabyte provides and other possibilities, can I contact you
by e-mail Rob?
--
Regards,
Claudiu Spulber
http://www.backup4all.com
"Rob Turk" <_wipe_me_r.turk@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:40fbfc3a$0$130$e4fe514c@dreader19.news.xs4all.nl...
> "Claudiu Spulber" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2m1fqmFi1a1pU1@uni-berlin.de... 
> for 
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> safe. 
use[vbcol=seagreen]
> a 
> it 
>
> Claudiu,
>
> Andy mentions he has about 300GB of data. How do you suggest handling a
> stack of(300 / 4.9 = ) 61 DVD's or (300 / 0.7 = ) 428 CD-ROM's in a
sensible
> way? For data volumes of this size you need either a removable harddisk or
a
> tape system. Exabyte VXA-2 tape drives do 80GB native (160 compressed), so
> 2-5 tapes will do the job for him. Automate it with a 10-slot PacketLoader
> 1U and it's all hands-off. All for less then $2000 according to
> www.pricewatch.com
>
> Backup4all doesn't seem to support tape drives or libraries, are you
> planning on adding support? If so, I may be able to help. I work for
Exabyte
> and I have plenty of tape programming experience..
>
> Rob
> rturk at exabyte dot com
>
>

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"Claudiu Spulber" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Rob,
> I primarily looked for a lower cost solution, at least at first look.
First
> I must say that depending on what type of data Andy it's backing up the
zip
> could be finally less then 300Gb. But let's say there are about 60 DVDs,
if
> we calculate the cost I think (according to pricewatch) it will be between
> $50-$200. The time to back up all that data let's say that would be
between
> 30 - 50 hours(there are too many parameters so it's hard to predict more
> precisely and of-course some automate solutions could be used) meaning
that
> maximum 6 working days (8 hour/day). So the balance would look like this:
on
> one side $175 the cost of 60 DVDs + the cost of the time spent for the
> backup process and on the other side $2000 and the cost of the backup
time.
>
> Now I must say I would be interested in finding out more about the tape
> backup solutions Exabyte provides and other possibilities, can I contact
you
> by e-mail Rob?
> --
> Regards,
> Claudiu Spulber

Hi Claudiu,

My main concern with the DVD/CD option is media handling. Even if it's only
20 or 30 DVD's worth of data, the physical handling (keeping track of which
DVD is which) and the need to sit through hours of media swapping will
ensure that no-one will do a full backup more than once.

As for helping with tape options, feel free to email me at (rturk at exabyte
dot com). I'm currently on vacation but I'll be able to get to my e-mail
from home (yes. I'm an idiot ;-)

Looking forward to working with you.

Best regards,
Rob

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I was running into this problem as well for my own small business.  I wanted
 to have a computer backup that was simple and secure. After doing some seri
ous research I came across a fireproof media safe or media vault (as the Sch
wab Corp dealer I bought it from called it) It's is called the DataFORTRESS 
and basically it's a fireproof media safe that houses any type of backup sys
tem you want. For my own use I simply had this fireproof media safe installe
d with USB Cables and bought my own backup hard drives from Best Buy.

I can securely store my computer media in this fireproof media safe and stil
l have room to store other important business papers and even some baseball 
cards.

I found the best quoted price from KL Security Enterprises http://www.klsecurity.c
om 

Best of luck!



quote:
Originally posted by andy 
Suggestions / ideas please we have a home network that is becoming over
loaded, ie drives are filling up.

Now is the time to look at tape backup ( to releive the disks and to add
security )

we are running PC's with XP Home and Pro and have about 300gb to backup.

Would like to use a media that can be stored in a fireproof safe.

Budget is definately a consideration.

Any hepl appreciated

Andy 

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