A few years ago I had some really bad experiences with Mandrake.  So it
wasn't until recently that I decided to try the latest version.  I am
pleasantly suprised by how easily and quickly it installed.  And how it
works in comparison to Suse 9.1.  Suse 8.0 was a better distro back than
than MDK 8.2.  It worked fully and without all the weird quirks that came
with the Mandrake distro then currently released.  However it has
switched. The Suse 9.1 installed with dependency problems out of the box.
Some of the files were not readable on the dvd nor the cd installation
media. This was a purchased set, not an iso download and burn.  These
files changed on a random basis. The cd's/dvd looked fine.  No scratches
or dirt anywhere.   I am also using Mepis linux currently.  It however has
the 2.4.xx kernel.  I wanted to test the 2.6 kernel along with KDE 3.2.

Results so far are I won't be using the Suse software very much.  It
works but is dog slow in accessing websites. The Mandrake distro is in for
testing and learning. Questions on how-to are going to follow in the
future.


For now I have also noticed that initially the MDK Epiphany webbrowser is
also slow to initially access a webpage, but once there is quick when
staying with that website.  Go to a new website and it takes it's own good
time compared to the same browser used with  the Mepis distro.

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comma wrote:

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> I am also using Mepis linux currently.  It however has
> the 2.4.xx kernel.  I wanted to test the 2.6 kernel along with KDE 3.2.
>
> Results so far are I won't be using the Suse software very much.  It
> works but is dog slow in accessing websites. The Mandrake distro is in for
> testing and learning. Questions on how-to are going to follow in the
> future.
>
>
> For now I have also noticed that initially the MDK Epiphany webbrowser is
> also slow to initially access a webpage, but once there is quick when
> staying with that website.  Go to a new website and it takes it's own good
> time compared to the same browser used with  the Mepis distro.

You're problem with web browsing is the 2.6 Kernel.  It by default uses IPV6
to communicate with the internet.  There are some web-sites out there that
don't recognise IPV6 DNS requests and therefore cause the problem you
describe.

The easiest way to resolve I have found is to use Mozilla and ensure the
following is set in the about :config settings of the browser.
network.dns.disableIPv6 = true.

There are other ways to resolve, but this is the easiest way I have found.
If anyone has any better suggestions please feel free to point them out.

Tony.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:18:59 +0100, tony_barnard71@hotmail.com wrote:
> You're problem with web browsing is the 2.6 Kernel.  It by default uses IP
V6
> to communicate with the internet.  There are some web-sites out there that
> don't recognise IPV6 DNS requests and therefore cause the problem you
> describe.
>
> The easiest way to resolve I have found is to use Mozilla and ensure the
> following is set in the about :config settings of the browser.
> network.dns.disableIPv6 = true.
>
> There are other ways to resolve, but this is the easiest way I have found.
> If anyone has any better suggestions please feel free to point them out.

My solution:
Modified /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modules.conf by adding
alias net-pf-10 off

and
cat /etc/sysconfig/network
HOSTNAME=wb.home.invalid
NETWORKING=yes
GATEWAY=192.168.1.1
GATEWAYDEV=eth0
NETWORKING_IPV6=no     <=========== added this line


Be sure to add a carriage return at the end of line in all files.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

> My solution:
> Modified /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modules.conf by adding
> alias net-pf-10 off

Gosh Bit I really need some help with something related here. I've been
trying for months now to figure out how to use the synatx you used
above. I've searched everywhere and can not find an answer that I
can understand.

I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...
-------------------------------------------------
alias wildcard modulename

This allows you to give alternate names for a module.  For
example: "alias my-mod really_long_modulename" means you can
use "modprobe my-mod" instead of  "modprobe
really_long_modulename".  You can also use shell-style wild_cards, so
"alias my-mod* really_long_modulename" means that "modprobe
my-mod-something"  has  the  same  effect.   You  can't have

aliases to other aliases (that way lies madness), but aliases can have
options, which  will be added to any other options.
------------------------------------------------
Can you help set me staright on this please...

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Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote: 
>
> Gosh Bit I really need some help with something related here. I've been
> trying for months now to figure out how to use the synatx you used
> above.

He said to add that line to the file! What bit of that is hard? Are you
perhaps expressing yourself a bit badly and realy mean to ask something
else here?

> I've searched everywhere and can not find an answer that I
> can understand.

Answer to what?

> I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
> usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...
> -------------------------------------------------
> alias wildcard modulename
>
> This allows you to give alternate names for a module.  For
> example: "alias my-mod really_long_modulename" means you can
> use "modprobe my-mod" instead of  "modprobe
> really_long_modulename".

What's hard to understand about that? Your alias is "Ron". It's shorter
than "Ronald Gibson Jr III". If I put

alias Ron "Ronald Gibson Jr III"

in my modules.conf file, then I can load you using just

modprobe Ron

> You can also use shell-style wild?cards, so
> "alias my-mod* really_long_modulename" means that "modprobe
> my-mod-something"  has  the  same  effect.   You  can't have

Just so.

> aliases to other aliases (that way lies madness), but aliases can have
> options, which  will be added to any other options.
> ------------------------------------------------
> Can you help set me staright on this please...

Which word of the english do you not understand?

Peter

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:09:40 +0200, P.T. Breuer wrote:

> Which word of the english do you not understand?

Try understanding this dip - FOAD and plonk. You've become a total
moron.

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Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:09:40 +0200, P.T. Breuer wrote:
> 
>
> Try understanding this dip - FOAD and plonk. You've become a total
> moron.

Repeat for the moron over there:

What's hard to understand about that? Your alias is "Ron". It's
shorter than "Ronald Gibson Jr III". If I put

alias Ron "Ronald Gibson Jr III"

in my modules.conf file, then I can load you using just

modprobe Ron

So where is your dimitted neuron having the difficulty?

Peter

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:40:43 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:
>
> I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
> usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...

The human mind tends to reduce something to it's most complex form.

The technical writing you find in man pages is terse and concise.

The alias definition you found in man modprobe.conf is just that, it
is a definition of alias and what you can do with it.

It is like the defination of the color red and you are indicating you
do not understand the defination of red.

Take the _alias eth0 tulip_ statement, that says when loading module
eth0 get the actual module tulip.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:40:43 +0000, Ron Gibson wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
> 
>
> Gosh Bit I really need some help with something related here. I've been
> trying for months now to figure out how to use the syntax you used
> above. I've searched everywhere and can not find an answer that I
> can understand.
>
> I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
> usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...

<snip>

> Can you help set me straight on this please...

As root, enter;

grep -r net-pf-10 /etc/*

and see if that helps make it any clearer.

Cheers ;-)

--
imotgm

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:18:59 +0100, tony_barnard71 wrote:

.
> You're problem with web browsing is the 2.6 Kernel.  It by default uses IP
V6
> to communicate with the internet.  There are some web-sites out there that
> don't recognise IPV6 DNS requests and therefore cause the problem you
> describe.
>
> The easiest way to resolve I have found is to use Mozilla and ensure the
> following is set in the about :config settings of the browser.
> network.dns.disableIPv6 = true.
>
> There are other ways to resolve, but this is the easiest way I have found.
> If anyone has any better suggestions please feel free to point them out.
>
> Tony.

I will try the mozilla browser instead. Easy enough to just start it
right now.

No difference.  All three webbrowsers took four minutes to access the
Mandrake links on the default homepage, which is a local file.  Typing
yahoo.com in the url bar results in the same slow connection to the
webpage.  Once there, yahoo.com, all links on that server are quick to
load.  Leaving yahoo.com to go to say google.com same results.  long load
times for the switch to the new webpage.

This is not a problem I have noticed with Debian based linux distros.  My
recent experience has been with Mepis generally.  But I have also
downloaded and burned iso's for Peanutlinux, Libralinux, Demo linux, and a
knoppix live-eval cd.  None of these other distros has had the time lag
evident in the Suse and Mandrake distros.  I am including Suse 8.0, 8.2
and 9.1 version in this discussion.  I have no earlier version of Mandrake
or any other Redhat based distros to compare as of now.  I may download
Fedore and try that later.

Just for information I am on a dsl system.  The nic card is onboard
realtek 8139.  The modem is a Netopia cayman 3300, run through a Linksys
BEFSR41 router.

Thanks for the information.

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