Is ELance much better than Rent-A-Coder?  I am hesitant to give ELance a try
because you have to pay for it - and Rent-A-Coder is not "overly
profitable".  Is ELance worth the money?

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I have yet to find ANY of these services that are profitable. Guru.com has
been the best for me, thus far, as I get regular updates on projects. Most
of these sites get people looking for people to build them highly profitable
sites for very low dollars. When I see a "build me a CRM" for $1000 or less,
I know that I am not interested. Just my two cents.

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"michaaal" <res0gyio@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Is ELance much better than Rent-A-Coder?  I am hesitant to give ELance a
try
> because you have to pay for it - and Rent-A-Coder is not "overly
> profitable".  Is ELance worth the money?
>
>

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:14:02 -0500, "michaaal" <res0gyio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Is ELance much better than Rent-A-Coder?  I am hesitant to give ELance a tr
y
>because you have to pay for it - and Rent-A-Coder is not "overly
>profitable".  Is ELance worth the money?

I'm not sure either is valuable to most programmers, since they do a
poor job of weeding out the requests like:

"I want to develop an online store with the capabilities of
Amazon.com, where I'll lease space to vendors.  I envision about 3,000
vendors, each with up to 20,000 products.  I have a budget of about
$300 for the code work and graphics, and need it to run on Microsoft
Access 97."

If they provided qualified, or at least realistic, leads maybe they'd
be worth paying for.

There are others out there as well, though I'm not sure they're much
better, a decent set of samples on your own web site might gte you
about as far.

Jeff

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You should google alt.computer.consultants.moderated for this, and/or post
your inquiry to that ng.  The topic comes up now and again.

I wrote a rather scathing assessment of these services for Contract
Professional about 8 years ago when they started appearing, and it seems
that they have only gotten worse in light of what has gone on in the
industry since then.  My opinion of all of those services is they're just
shy of being MLM or Ponzi schemes.

The ones that want you to buy-in invariably refuse to give you any hard
evidence of satisfaction of other members (i.e., names and phone numbers of
people you can verify in the phonebook or on the web and contact as a
reference), which in and of itself sends up a big ole red flag.  If they're
successful at getting gigs for their members, they should be crowing about
it, not hiding behind "confidentiality" to get you to ante-up the initiation
fees to find out anything about how they really operate.  The "free" ones
are about as useful as having a luddite build a car for you.  All of them
have just about zero ability to screen reqs:  Sure, you may get "tons of
reqs" but for absolutely off-the-wall stuff like Jeff Cochran related.  They
may appeal to absolute beginners and offshore drones who think $2 a day is a
king's ransom cream like it's their first time, but they are way off in some
alternate reality when it comes to dealing with experienced US talent.

If you have the fortitude and resources to do your own
networking/marketing/promotion, do so and steer clear of all middlemen.  If
you aren't ready to, or can't, do it yourself, then you may have marginally
better luck using a bodyshop (if you don't mind being treated like cannon
fodder).

Alan

"michaaal" <res0gyio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:uxPnP0KdEHA.2408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Is ELance much better than Rent-A-Coder?  I am hesitant to give ELance a
try
> because you have to pay for it - and Rent-A-Coder is not "overly
> profitable".  Is ELance worth the money?
>
>

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Yeah. I will pay you $300 to make myself millions. I find that is pretty
much the norm there.

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MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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"Jeff Cochran" <jeff.nospam@zina.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:14:02 -0500, "michaaal" <res0gyio@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> 
try[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
> I'm not sure either is valuable to most programmers, since they do a
> poor job of weeding out the requests like:
>
> "I want to develop an online store with the capabilities of
> Amazon.com, where I'll lease space to vendors.  I envision about 3,000
> vendors, each with up to 20,000 products.  I have a budget of about
> $300 for the code work and graphics, and need it to run on Microsoft
> Access 97."
>
> If they provided qualified, or at least realistic, leads maybe they'd
> be worth paying for.
>
> There are others out there as well, though I'm not sure they're much
> better, a decent set of samples on your own web site might gte you
> about as far.
>
> Jeff

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What you guys says is true for a lot of projects on RAC. There is the
possibilty of making some small money on the side though, you just have
to know which projects that are offering a fair amount and know which
projects you can do quickly. That being said, I wouldn't pay a
recurring fee to be a part of any such site, as you're not guaranteed
anything. There will be one or two fair projects a day that fit into
your area of expertise. At least RAC is safe for both the coder an
buyer, which a lot of other sites that have started popping up are
surely not.

It's as much about having common sense as it is being able to code -
know what you limits are and stay within them.

Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\) [MVP] wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> *Yeah. I will pay you $300 to make myself millions. I find that is
> pretty
> much the norm there.
>
> --
> Gregory A. Beamer
> MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
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> "Jeff Cochran" <jeff.nospam@zina.com> wrote in message
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> <res0gyio@verizon.net> 
> try[color=darkred] 
> a 
> 3,000 
> about 
> Microsoft 
> they'd 
> much 



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do not work with rentacoder , it is a fraud. search google and you will
know why. scan thru. first few websites.

[url]http://www.google.co.in/search?q=rentacoder+fraud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a[/url]



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why not search google and find it instead of blaming coders.



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> why not search google and find it instead of blaming coders.

find WHAT? I can see descriptions of personal failures only.
In compare to 15,000 projects, completed via RentACoder last month
(April, 2007).

RentACoder is safe place to purchase coder related solutions and
services.
It isn't right place for fraudulent cheaters.

My name: Sergey I.Grachyov
Nickname: TakeReal
I am famous freelancer.
I have:
875 projects completed via RentACoder
95 projects completed via GetAFreelancer
32 projects completed via Scriptlance

http://www.takereal.com/AboutTakeReal/Default.aspx

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