I was wanting to install KOrganizer, since the version currently
installed crashes.  However, when I do apt-get install korganizer, I am
informed that kde is to be uninstalled?  Why is that?

Here is the output from apt-get...

apt-get install korganizer
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
kaddressbook kalarm kandy karm kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins
kdepim-wizards kitchensync kmail kmailcvt knode
knotes konsolekalendar kontact korn kpilot ksync ktnef libbluetooth1
libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libkcal2 libkdenetwork2
libkdepim1 libkgantt0 libkleopatra0 libkpimexchange1
libkpimidentities1 libksieve0 libmal1 libmimelib1 libsdp2
Suggested packages:
egroupware kleopatra bogofilter annoyance-filter f-prot-installer
The following packages will be REMOVED:
kde kdepim kdepim-libs libkdenetwork2-dev
The following NEW packages will be installed:
kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kitchensync konsolekalendar kontact
ktnef libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libkcal2 libkdepim1
libkgantt0 libkleopatra0 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1
libksieve0 libmal1
The following packages will be upgraded
kaddressbook kalarm kandy karm kdepim-kfile-plugins kmail kmailcvt
knode knotes korganizer korn kpilot ksync
libbluetooth1 libkdenetwork2 libmimelib1 libsdp2
17 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 4 to remove and 781 not upgraded.
Need to get 14.4MB of archives.
After unpacking 23.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

That doesn't make any sense.  I mean, KOrganizer is a KDE app, so why
would kde itself get removed?



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On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:56:20PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> I was wanting to install KOrganizer, since the version currently
> installed crashes.  However, when I do apt-get install korganizer, I am
> informed that kde is to be uninstalled?  Why is that?

Why use apt-get, which gives absolutely *no* hint as to why it's making
those decisions?

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On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:56:20PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> I was wanting to install KOrganizer, since the version currently
> installed crashes.  However, when I do apt-get install korganizer, I am
> informed that kde is to be uninstalled?  Why is that?
>
> Here is the output from apt-get...
>
> apt-get install korganizer
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   kaddressbook kalarm kandy karm kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins
> kdepim-wizards kitchensync kmail kmailcvt knode
>   knotes konsolekalendar kontact korn kpilot ksync ktnef libbluetooth1
> libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libkcal2 libkdenetwork2
>   libkdepim1 libkgantt0 libkleopatra0 libkpimexchange1
> libkpimidentities1 libksieve0 libmal1 libmimelib1 libsdp2
> Suggested packages:
>   egroupware kleopatra bogofilter annoyance-filter f-prot-installer
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   kde kdepim kdepim-libs libkdenetwork2-dev
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kitchensync konsolekalendar kontact
> ktnef libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libkcal2 libkdepim1
>   libkgantt0 libkleopatra0 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1
> libksieve0 libmal1
> The following packages will be upgraded
>   kaddressbook kalarm kandy karm kdepim-kfile-plugins kmail kmailcvt
> knode knotes korganizer korn kpilot ksync
>   libbluetooth1 libkdenetwork2 libmimelib1 libsdp2
> 17 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 4 to remove and 781 not upgraded.
> Need to get 14.4MB of archives.
> After unpacking 23.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
>
> That doesn't make any sense.  I mean, KOrganizer is a KDE app, so why
> would kde itself get removed?
>
>
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~ %% apt-cache show kde
Package: kde
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 48
Maintainer: Debian QA Group <packages@qa.debian.org>
Architecture: all
Source: meta-kde
Version: 4:2.2.25
Depends: kdelibs3, libarts | libarts-alsa | libarts-bin, libkmid | libkmid-a
lsa | libkmid-bin, kdebase | kdebase3, kdebase-audiolibs | kdebase3-audiolib
s, kdebase-libs | kdebase3-libs, libkonq3 | libkonq4, konqueror | konqueror3
, kate | kate3, konsole | k
onsole3, kdebase-doc | kdebase3-doc, kscreensaver | kscreensaver3, kdewallpa
pers | kdewallpapers3, kuser, ksysv, kcron, kpackage, secpolicy, kghostview,
 kview, kmail, korn, ark, kab, karm, kcalc, kcharselect, kdepasswd, kdf, ked
it, kfind, khexedit, kjots,
knotes, kpm, kpaint, kiconedit, kfract, ksnapshot, kruler, kdict, kdm | x-di
splay-manager, kit, knode, ksirc, koffice, knewsticker, ktimer, kcoloredit
Suggests: aktion, kde-i18n, kde-games, kde-extras, kde-devel, anti-aliasing-
howto, kdessh, artsbuilder | artsbuilder3, kmix | kmix3, kscd | kscd3, noatu
n | noatun3, libarts-mpeglib | libarts3-mpeglib, korganizer, kdepim-libs
Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde/kde_2.2.25_all.deb
Size: 7232
MD5sum: 4029e970ffd3e6f06946c91000afb856
Description: The K Desktop Environment
A metapackage containing dependencies for the core suite of KDE including
kdelibs, kdebase, kdeadmin, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim,
koffice, and kdeutils.  Provides Suggests and Recommends for all other
KDE based packages.

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On Tuesday 31 August 2004 22:19, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> KDE is a dependency package.
> apt-get install kde
> apt-get remove kde
>
> Will install all of the KDE core.
> If you remove any piece of KDE, the (useless except for deps) kde
> goes along, and kdepim/kdenetwork2-dev was probably conflicted on by
> korganizer.

So does that mean I won't be able to install korganizer then?  It still
doesn't make any sense to me, since I'm just trying to install a new
version, not remove it completely.


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On September 1, 2004 01:56 am, Scarletdown wrote:
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> =A0 kde kdepim kdepim-libs libkdenetwork2-dev

Because kde is a meta package that is not really needed and is at an=20
older version than what you are installing. The kdepim is a meta=20
package as well so is not really needed and apt thinks you are using the=20
testing/sarge branch thus wants to uninstall it. The other two are old=20
versions that no longer in the archive and will be replaced by packages=20
that you are installing now because the names have changed. You will=20
have to figure out the new name of the -dev package it does not seem to=20
exist at all.


>$ apt-cache policy kde
kde:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 4:3.1.2
Version Table:
4:3.1.2 0
600 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages

>$ apt-cache policy kdepim
kdepim:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 4:3.2.2-2
Version Table:
4:3.3.0-2 0
600 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
4:3.2.2-2 0
990 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages

>$ apt-cache policy kdepim-libs
kdepim-libs:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
Version Table:

>$ apt-cache policy libkdenetwork2-dev
libkdenetwork2-dev:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
Version Table:

>$ apt-cache policy libkdenetwork2
libkdenetwork2:
Installed: 4:3.3.0-2
Candidate: 4:3.3.0-2
Version Table:
*** 4:3.3.0-2 0
600 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
4:3.2.2-2 0
990 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages

>$ apt-cache search libkdenetwork2
libkdenetwork2 - KDE Network library


>$ apt-cache show kdepim
Package: kdepim
Priority: optional
Section: kde
Installed-Size: 32
Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
Architecture: all
Version: 4:3.3.0-2
Depends: kaddressbook (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kalarm (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kandy (>=
=3D=20
4:3.3.0-2), karm (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kdepim-kfile-plugins (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2),=20
kdepim-kio-plugins(>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kdepim-wizards (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2),=20
kitchensync (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kleopatra (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kmail (>=3D=20
4:3.3.0-2), kmailcvt (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), knode (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), knotes (>=3D=
=20
4:3.3.0-2), konsolekalendar (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kontact (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2),=20
korganizer (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), korn (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), kpilot (>=3D=20
4:3.3.0-2),ksync (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), ktnef (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), libkcal2 (>=3D=20
4:3.3.0-2), libkdenetwork2 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), libkdepim1 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2),=20
libkgantt0 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), libkleopatra0 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2),=20
libkpimexchange1 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), libkpimidentities1 (>=3D4:3.3.0-2),=20
libksieve0 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2), libmimelib1 (>=3D 4:3.3.0-2)
Suggests: kdepim-doc-html
=46ilename: pool/main/k/kdepim/kdepim_3.3.0-2_all.deb
Size: 5844
MD5sum: 19483592054df9d5538ad9d4ed80748f
Description: KDE Personal Information Management metapackage
kdepim is a collection of Personal Information Management (PIM) tools=20
for the
K Desktop Enviromnent (KDE).

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:00:57 -0700
Scarletdown <gsutton9503@wavecable.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday 31 August 2004 22:19, Stefan O'Rear wrote: 
>
> So does that mean I won't be able to install korganizer then?  It still
> doesn't make any sense to me, since I'm just trying to install a new
> version, not remove it completely.

The package entitled "kde" contains no software.  It exists only to
make installation easier.

You could install kde by installing all its parts:  install kdelibs4,
then install kdebase, then install kdeadmin, then install kdeutils,
and so on until you're old and grey.  Since that's a pain in the XXX,
the Debian developers created a package entitled "kde" that contains
*no* software, but has dependencies on all the twelve zillion software
packages that, together, make up a KDE installation.  So, installing
the package "kde" brings along "kdeadmin", "kdebase", "kdelibs4", etc.
etc., because the "kde" packages is listed as depending on those other
packages . . .and thus you have a KDE installation.  But once you've
got KDE installed, you can safely remove the package entitled "kde,"
because it doesn't contain any software itself; and while the package
"kde" depends on all the KDE subcomponent packages, nothing depends on
the package "kde" (nor should anything, because the package is empty).

If the package "kde" depends on package "korganizer", and you're trying
to install a version of package "korganizer" that conflicts with package
"kde" in some way (e.g. the version of package "kde" you have installed
depends on package "korganizer" with a version number less than X,
and you're trying to install package "korganizer" with a version number
Y > X), apt-get will want to remove package "kde."  Doing so removes
no software from your system.  After removing the package "kde," you'd
find that your KDE installation is the same as it was before.

Many other pieces of software which are spread out over a large number
of packages are handled the same way, e.g. package "x-window-system"
and "gnome-desktop" are merely meta-packages that depend on all the
actual software-containing component packages.  Once all that stuff
is installed, the meta-package can be removed freely.

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