Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : linux-xbox
Version         : 2.4.x
* URL             : http://www.xbox-linux.org/
* License         : GPL
Description     : Xbox support in Linux

Build of Linux with Xbox support.

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Sorry I didn't see your response, since I don't track debian-devel.  When
replying to ITPs, remember to CC the submitter or the BTS.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 08:27:48AM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> On Friday 10 September 2004 06:22 am, Robert Millan wrote: 
>
>   If I remember correctly, these packages will have to go into non-us, right?[/vbc
ol]

Why would them?

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Daniel Burrows wrote: 
>
>Don't they violate the DMCA?

No, the X-Box port does not permit the execution of signed and
copy protected Microsoft binaries. There's a GPLed replacement
for the X-Box ROM, called Cromwell, which completely bypasses
the DMCA for running GNU/Linux on the X-Box.

Cheers,
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:42:29PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> Daniel Burrows wrote: 
>
> No, the X-Box port does not permit the execution of signed and
> copy protected Microsoft binaries. There's a GPLed replacement
> for the X-Box ROM, called Cromwell, which completely bypasses
> the DMCA for running GNU/Linux on the X-Box.

There's a missunderstanding here, and it is worth clarifying since cromwell
is ITPed and in queue/new waiting for approval for ftp-masters.

- The DMCA forbids only "circumvention devices for copyright protection
systems".

- The patches for Linux merely fix Linux to workaround some hardware bugs
and get it to boot.  Using a GNU system in the Xbox wouldn't help you run
illegaly copied games any better than running it on any other platform.
(In either case you'd need an Xbox emulator and a copy of the Xbox BIOS.)

- There are many replacements for the Xbox BIOS.  Some of them are intended
to bypass the protection system by reimplementing the Xbox BIOS API so that
games can be illegaly used.   Cromwell is _NOT_ one of these.

Cromwell is a replacement for the Xbox BIOS.  It is dessigned with the
sole purpose of booting Linux and uncapable of doing anything else.  In
particular, it has no clue about running XBE executables in which Xbox
games are shipped, and it doesn't implement any part of the Xbox BIOS API,
which games use.

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On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:54:46AM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Friday 24 September 2004 11:29 am, Robert Millan wrote: 
>
>   My understanding, though, is that it doesn't matter WHY you're circumven
ting
> the controls that stop you from booting anything else on the XBox; just th
at
> you are circumventing them.  An unlicensed DVD player without a "rip" or
> "copy" option is still illegal here because it has to bypass the
> market-protection mechanisms of the MPAA, even though it can't actually be
> used for copyright infringement.

Is it still illegal if it can't play dvds ? Xbox linux can't play xbox
games, even legal ones, afaik

Frank
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>   Daniel
>
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 08:22:03PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:54:46AM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: 
>
> Is it still illegal if it can't play dvds ? Xbox linux can't play xbox
> games, even legal ones, afaik

You can do anything with GNU/Linux on Xbox that you could do with GNU/Linux
on a PC or any other platform.  No more, no less.

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On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:54:46AM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Friday 24 September 2004 11:29 am, Robert Millan wrote: 
>
>   My understanding, though, is that it doesn't matter WHY you're circumven
ting
> the controls that stop you from booting anything else on the XBox; just th
at
> you are circumventing them.

You're confusing things.  Please get an idea of the controls you're referrin
g
to before arguing about them.  There's plenty of documentation in
http://xbox-linux.sf.net/. Speaking without knowledge just results in
spreading FUD which isn't good for anyone.

The controls that (attempt to) "stop you from booting anything else" are not
the same controls that protect from copyright infringement.  The former are
not circumvented by anything we provide in Debian.  The latter are in the Xb
ox
OS which we don't even use.

> An unlicensed DVD player without a "rip" or
> "copy" option is still illegal here because it has to bypass the
> market-protection mechanisms of the MPAA, even though it can't actually be
> used for copyright infringement.

The DVD player was in the Xbox OS which we don't use.  Like every legacy DVD
player, it implements CSS protection.  And like every legacy DVD player, it'
s
propietary software and we have nothing to do with it.

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