Hello,

There are several offers on ebay.com for the 9.0 SuSE professional on
dvd like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=41881
http://www.cameraexchange.org/images_software/4200.jpg
Are these official?
S.

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noname wrote:
quote:

> http://www.cameraexchange.org/images_software/4200.jpg


That looks strrrange ... :-)

The German edition of SuSE 9.0 professional comes with 5 CD-ROM, 1
double-sided DVD and two printed manuals. I wonder, how they would fit
into the dvd-box. :-)

Bego

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:41:52 +0100, noname wrote:
quote:

> Hello,
>
> There are several offers on ebay.com for the 9.0 SuSE professional on
> dvd like this:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ftware/4200.jpg
> Are these official?
> S.


The ebay page says it is not official:

"INCLUDES DIGITAL DOCUMENTATION.
THIS IS A GPL NON SUPPORT EDITION.
NOT A PRODUCT OF SUSE."

Pretty slick packaging though...

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"noname" <noaddress@no.mail> schreef in bericht
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quote:

> Hello,
>
> There are several offers on ebay.com for the 9.0 SuSE professional on
> dvd like this:
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=41881
quote:

> http://www.cameraexchange.org/images_software/4200.jpg
> Are these official?
> S.
>


Hi,

I bought the DVD-set from these guys. They sell copies of SuSe Linux, either
DVD or CD. No support or handbooks however. The DVD's were in perfect
condition. I have had retail boxes of software with damages.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=41881

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Jan Stedehouder wrote:

quote:

> Hi,
>
> I bought the DVD-set from these guys. They sell copies of SuSe Linux, eith
er
> DVD or CD. No support or handbooks however. The DVD's were in perfect
> condition. I have had retail boxes of software with damages.
>
> [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3654227988&category=41881[/ur
l]
>
>

Jan,

What kind of copies are these? From the ftp distribution, or the
official boxed set?
It looks like they got their hands on the official boxed set, made
illegal copies and now sell these with profit.

S.

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"noname" <noaddress@no.mail> schreef in bericht
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quote:

>
>
> Jan Stedehouder wrote:
>
> 
either[QUOTE] 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=41881[QUOTE]
 
> Jan,
>
> What kind of copies are these? From the ftp distribution, or the
> official boxed set?
> It looks like they got their hands on the official boxed set, made
> illegal copies and now sell these with profit.
>
> S.


Maybe you can enlighten me then. The programs on any Linux distro are GPL or
some other form of Open Source/ Free Software, right? Under what terms could
SuSe prohibit the making and distributing of copies. Basically, I could not
see any profit: just the costs of duplication. How is that different from
all the other Linux-for-a-few-bucks sellers, who download the ISO's and sell
them? No flame intended, just an honest question.

Jan

quote:

>

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In message <4009b5a4$0$137$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl>, Jan
Stedehouder <j.stedehouder@nowhere.nl> wrote
quote:

>
>"noname" <noaddress@no.mail> schreef in bericht
>news:400970b5$0$326$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... 
>
>Maybe you can enlighten me then. The programs on any Linux distro are GPL o
r
>some other form of Open Source/ Free Software, right?


Wrong. Yast is not GPL, it is released under a license that prevents any
copies from being charged for. Under that license, you are able to
*give* copies at no cost, but you cannot sell copies without written
permission from SuSE.
quote:

> Under what terms could SuSe prohibit the making and distributing of
>copies.


They do not prevent making copies, neither do they prevent distribution
provided that it is for no charge. However, they *do* have the right to
prevent you from charging to distribute software that they have written.

--
Robert          Talking to yourself - first sign of madness
Answering yourself back - first sign of schizophrenia
I go one better: If I don't like the answer ...
I put it to a majority vote

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"Robert Hull" <Robert@please.do-not-spam.me.uk> schreef in bericht
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quote:

> In message <4009b5a4$0$137$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl>, Jan
> Stedehouder <j.stedehouder@nowhere.nl> wrote 
or[QUOTE] 
>
> Wrong. Yast is not GPL, it is released under a license that prevents any
> copies from being charged for. Under that license, you are able to
> *give* copies at no cost, but you cannot sell copies without written
> permission from SuSE.


Interesting. I have never looked into this point before, but I will now. If
you are right, SuSe has introduced something that puts a restriction on the
free distribution of software that we are accustomed to in the Linux world.
quote:

> 
>
> They do not prevent making copies, neither do they prevent distribution
> provided that it is for no charge. However, they *do* have the right to
> prevent you from charging to distribute software that they have written.


Okay, there is the no-charge clause. However, I think lawyers will have a
field day on discussing this. Does no-charge mean 'no money should be paid
for it' or 'no profit should be made from it'?

Hmm, I'll be back after some research.

Jan

quote:

>
> --
> Robert          Talking to yourself - first sign of madness
>                  Answering yourself back - first sign of schizophrenia
>                  I go one better: If I don't like the answer ...
>                  I put it to a majority vote

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:12:06 +0100
"Jan Stedehouder" <j.stedehouder@nowhere.nl> wrote:
quote:

> If you are right, SuSe has introduced something that puts a
> restriction on the free distribution of software that we are
> accustomed to in the Linux world.
>


No, they don't allow the distribution of their YaST software, *for a
charge*, unless you've first received permission from them to do so.
If you give YaST away, no problem. That's "free distribution" in the
purest sense of the term.

Any software on SUSE's distro that is GPL is *still* GPL and may be
given away or charged a fee. There are other software packages in
their distro that have other licenses as well -- each one must be
individually honored.

quote:

> Okay, there is the no-charge clause. However, I think lawyers will
> have a field day on discussing this.


Let the lawyers have their field day -- after all, there's more than
enough of them to go around! :-)  Wouldn't it be great if we could
get about 90% of the lawyers to use Linux? That would *have* to make
M$ nervous . . . :-)


--
Kevin Nathan (Montana, USA)
Open standards. Open source. Open minds.
The command line is the front line.

Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
1:31am  up 22 days 17:40,  6 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.17, 0.12

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"Kevin Nathan" <knathan@project54.com> schreef in bericht
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quote:

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:12:06 +0100
> "Jan Stedehouder" <j.stedehouder@nowhere.nl> wrote:
> 
>
> No, they don't allow the distribution of their YaST software, *for a
> charge*, unless you've first received permission from them to do so.
> If you give YaST away, no problem. That's "free distribution" in the
> purest sense of the term.
>
> Any software on SUSE's distro that is GPL is *still* GPL and may be
> given away or charged a fee. There are other software packages in
> their distro that have other licenses as well -- each one must be
> individually honored.
>


Okay, just read the YaST license and I have to agree with you guys. Still,
it doesn't feel right. SuSe builds a distro on the work of thousands of
other projects, big or small, using the GPL. Then it adds a cork, called
YaST, and then limits the distribution of the whole lot. It would be
interesting to see if the YaST code has elements that were released on less
restrictive licences before. If so, the YaST license would not be valid. In
my opinion Red Hat followed a course that was closer to the intent of the
Open Source/ Free Software movement. Anaconda is not under a restrictive
license.

Jan

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