This topic probably has come up before, but I missed it, so forgive me if
this post is redundant.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article...line-news_rss20
iPod 'squeaks' betray software secrets

* 16:51 01 March 2005
* NewScientist.com news service
* Will Knight

"Computer enthusiasts have worked out how to reprogram Apple's iPod music
player with their own code using an ingenious acoustic trick."

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http://www.ipodlinux.org/stories/piezo/

"The whole idea started last week when leachbj gave me a piece of code
that caused the piezo in the iPod to make some *squeek*-sound."

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http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page

"Welcome to the home of the iPodLinux Project
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinux/)! This page provides the
details of an Open Source venture into porting Linux onto the iPod
(http://www.apple.com/ipod/). So far, we have successfully ported a
customized uClinux (http://www.uclinux.org) kernel to the iPod, and
written a simple user interface for it dubbed podzilla. Many additional
Applications have been written, adding many capabilities not found in
Apple's firmware.

"Our bootloader allows for you to choose between either iPodLinux or
Apple's firmware each time you turn on your iPod."

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Linønut <linønut@bone.com> espoused:
> This topic probably has come up before, but I missed it, so forgive me if
<snip bit about using piezo electric sounder to read out bootloader>
> --------------------------
>
> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
>
>    "Welcome to the home of the iPodLinux Project
>    (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinux/)! This page provides the
>    details of an Open Source venture into porting Linux onto the iPod
>    (http://www.apple.com/ipod/). So far, we have successfully ported a
>    customized uClinux (http://www.uclinux.org) kernel to the iPod, and
>    written a simple user interface for it dubbed podzilla. Many additional
>    Applications have been written, adding many capabilities not found in
>    Apple's firmware.
>
>    "Our bootloader allows for you to choose between either iPodLinux or
>    Apple's firmware each time you turn on your iPod."
>

I think this is just amazing - if they can manage to play some
oggs on it, I might even get interested in one for me...

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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:36:10 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:

> I think this is just amazing - if they can manage to play some
> oggs on it, I might even get interested in one for me...

Indeed, that might finally make an iPod useful.

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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:36:10 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:

> Linønut <linønut@bone.com> espoused: 
> <snip bit about using piezo electric sounder to read out bootloader> 
>
> I think this is just amazing - if they can manage to play some
> oggs on it, I might even get interested in one for me...

I'd settle for being able to get my iPod MINI to work with Suse 9.2
playing mp3 files.
I have been through a hundred web pages follwing the instructions but it
still does not work reliably.
The problem is most of the web pages talk about the regular iPod which is
AFAIK different as far as disk structure is concerned than the iPod MINI.


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Take it away and the result will be  anarchy"

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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:49:02 -0500, Sven Lossman wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:36:10 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
> 
>
> I'd settle for being able to get my iPod MINI to work with Suse 9.2
> playing mp3 files.
> I have been through a hundred web pages follwing the instructions but it
> still does not work reliably.
> The problem is most of the web pages talk about the regular iPod which is
> AFAIK different as far as disk structure is concerned than the iPod MINI.

http://www.freedos.org/jhall/ipod/mini.html

http://www.cavecanen.org/linux/ipod/


Neither site was hard to find. Both *specifically* talk about the iPod
Mini, rather than the regular iPods.

I told you before that the iPod Mini worked under Linux while you insisted
it didn't, but you refused to listen.

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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:10:49 -0600, Liam Slider wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:49:02 -0500, Sven Lossman wrote:
> 
>
> http://www.freedos.org/jhall/ipod/mini.html
>
> http://www.cavecanen.org/linux/ipod/
>
>
> Neither site was hard to find. Both *specifically* talk about the iPod
> Mini, rather than the regular iPods.
>
> I told you before that the iPod Mini worked under Linux while you insisted
> it didn't, but you refused to listen.

Don't assume what you don't know. I've been to both of those pages.
Mr. Hall is using Fedora, NOT Suse 9.2.
The cavecanen link mount example works exactly once.
I have also been through the links on this page, so don't accuse me of not
listening.

http://tuxmobil.org/player_linux_survey_apple.html

I'm sorry but it does not work correctly.
The problem seems to be with the mounting of the unit and here is what
happens.

The first time the unit is plugged in, firewire, it mounts correctly to
/mnt/ipod and I can see the files in gtkpod.

However, ever single time after that, the unit mounts under something
like:
/mnt/ieee1394xxxxuuuuuuaysusuuu1223344556 and it can't find any of
it's files.

If I try using manual mounting, it mounts the first time correctly and
does exactly the same thing the next time.

Since you seem to be an iPod expert, I would appreciate any advice as to
how I can make this work. The iPod is formatted using Windows and the
directories are all created.


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Sven Lossman poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:

> Since you seem to be an iPod expert, I would appreciate any advice as to
> how I can make this work. The iPod is formatted using Windows and the
> directories are all created.

I wouldn't be surprised if letting Windows format it was a big mistake.

I had Windows format a thumb-drive once, and I had to turn handsprings to
access it so I could repartition it and reformat it properly using mkfs.vfat
.

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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:20:06 -0600, Linønutlinønut wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Sven Lossman poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
> 
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if letting Windows format it was a big mistake.
>
> I had Windows format a thumb-drive once, and I had to turn handsprings to
> access it so I could repartition it and reformat it properly using mkfs.vfat.[/vbc
ol]

I know what you mean!
I had some utility from Western Digital format a hard drive under Windows
and essentially turn it into a brick because it installed some third party
partitioning software.
I had to use the tools on The Ultimate Bootdisk to nuke the drive and
bring it back to life.

But in this case the Windows format is the way to
go if the device is to be shared between Windows/Mac/Linux.

I would be home free if I could get the device to mount every time to
/mnt/ipod or whatever instead of the iee13941923982938914091 stuff.
I am very close to solving this but I need one more piece to the puzzle.
BTW the Windows versions of the software are horrid compared to the Mac
versions. It's pretty clear that Apple supported Windows as a last effort.

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On 2005-03-04, Sven Lossman <lossman99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:20:06 -0600, Linønutlinønut wrote:
> 
[deletia][vbcol=seagreen]
> I would be home free if I could get the device to mount every time to
> /mnt/ipod or whatever instead of the iee13941923982938914091 stuff.
> I am very close to solving this but I need one more piece to the puzzle.
> BTW the Windows versions of the software are horrid compared to the Mac
> versions. It's pretty clear that Apple supported Windows as a last effort.

This doesn't surprise me.

Win32 iTunes chokes when I try to pull my mp3 collection into it.

This is the same collection that WMP has no problems with.

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Sven Lossman poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
 
>
> I know what you mean!
> I had some utility from Western Digital format a hard drive under Windows
> and essentially turn it into a brick because it installed some third party
> partitioning software.
> I had to use the tools on The Ultimate Bootdisk to nuke the drive and
> bring it back to life.
>
> But in this case the Windows format is the way to
> go if the device is to be shared between Windows/Mac/Linux.

True.  But what you missed is that I formatted with a Windows format.
Which both Linux and Windows can read.  When Windows formatted the thumb
drive, it formatted in some odd way such that it didn't even have a
partition.

> I would be home free if I could get the device to mount every time to
> /mnt/ipod or whatever instead of the iee13941923982938914091 stuff.
> I am very close to solving this but I need one more piece to the puzzle.
> BTW the Windows versions of the software are horrid compared to the Mac
> versions. It's pretty clear that Apple supported Windows as a last effort.

Or that Windows makes it more difficult on the developer.  It does
<wry grin>.

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